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This auto plant is exactly 2 months from germination. It hasn't changed much over the past few weeks. I can't get a pic of the trichomes and hairs because I don't have the attachment for my scope.

I don't see many amber trichomes. The lower leaves are yellow and some of the top leaves seem to be turning black. I'm thinking it's not mold or anything.

She has been under 12/12 for the past few days because I have photos in bloom in same tent. I'm just wondering will the trichomes ever turn amber or is there some kind of issue. Seeing the leaves you'll know she had a bad ph issue. In the light you see the leaves are very light green. Almost no chlorophyll.

What's interesting about this unknown strain is that although she is only 8 inches tall she is packed with bud. I wish I knew what it was so I could just pack my tent with them.

Thx for the help.
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looks good,hard to tell from pic but looks mostly done as well....
those some big buds for 8inch plant!
how do u not know what strain it is? was it given to u by someone?
either way it looks kinda like my green-o-matic when it was around that age,from the pics i would say wait 5 more days but i could be off,just cnt tell from the pics how ripe the buds are...
 
Im new to growing autos myself but the answer that I seem to have gotten is some strains do amber and some dont.
So based on that statement...
Where do you see the amber trics? on bud leaves or the calyxes themselves? cause what I was told is that the trics on the leaves will go amber first, so once you see amber on them look at the calyxes themselves. And then once you get a 10% amber to cloudy ratio, giver a chop ;)

EDIT: Also - you said the top leaves are turning black....is it black or is it deep purple? like this -
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i agree with wheredaweedat,
iv only seen blackish leaves on a few strains,black dragons ect...but alot of strains will turn purplish,even darkish purple to black at the tops,just like in the above pic...

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looks good,hard to tell from pic but looks mostly done as well....
those some big buds for 8inch plant!
how do u not know what strain it is? was it given to u by someone?
either way it looks kinda like my green-o-matic when it was around that age,from the pics i would say wait 5 more days but i could be off,just cnt tell from the pics how ripe the buds are...

Crazy, right? I'll take 1/2 oz of buds on 8 inch plants in 2 months all day long.. Yea, the seed was a freebie from a seed bank. My friend gave it to me when I started growing. It didn't say what it was or which bank. Had nice packaging though so I figured what the heck.

Thanks for the input. That's what I was thinking 5 more days.

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Im new to growing autos myself but the answer that I seem to have gotten is some strains do amber and some dont.
So based on that statement...
Where do you see the amber trics? on bud leaves or the calyxes themselves? cause what I was told is that the trics on the leaves will go amber first, so once you see amber on them look at the calyxes themselves. And then once you get a 10% amber to cloudy ratio, giver a chop ;)

EDIT: Also - you said the top leaves are turning black....is it black or is it deep purple? like this -
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Yes, I guess it could be purple. i'm color blind :) But yes, looks similar to that. Is this indicative of it being ripe?

Thanks for the info

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Im new to growing autos myself but the answer that I seem to have gotten is some strains do amber and some dont.
So based on that statement...
Where do you see the amber trics? on bud leaves or the calyxes themselves? cause what I was told is that the trics on the leaves will go amber first, so once you see amber on them look at the calyxes themselves. And then once you get a 10% amber to cloudy ratio, giver a chop ;)

EDIT: Also - you said the top leaves are turning black....is it black or is it deep purple? like this -
View attachment 351843

Yes, I guess it could be purple. i'm color blind :) But yes, looks similar to that. Is this indicative of it being ripe?

Thanks for the info
 
ya purple comes at the end of flowering or,when the nights get colder,inside or outside lol...
 
Wheredaweedat, you pointed me in the right direction I think. Not all strains will amber. It appears that mostly Sativas will amber. Other things we can look for is changes in trichome color, pistil color, leaf color, and the shape of trichomes. I read that trichomes will start to flop over when ready.

I examined my trichomes for a long time tonight under 60x. I see a few brown, a few droppers and mostly white. Like snow white crystals. Like Supermans ice palace :)


This is a good article, but leaves me with more questions than answers :)
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=38959


The thing about amber trichomes, is that true amber trichomes only develop in some phenotypes and only with very high potency types!

The way to define it, is that high potency or should I say the type of plant that develops what I call complex psychoactivity, only develop with clear trichome stages, they go from glass clear to very light yellow to amber to red amber as they develop. The onset of the first red amber just showing is when the potency is at its peak.

At all these stages the trichomes are crystal clear like cut jewels! Its only as they start to degrade that they start to go brown and start to cloud ie: become none translucent this finally degrades to a dark muddy colour.

Types that go from glass clear to milky [like frosted glass]. With this type when you get 40 to 60% milky trichomes, new thc production is being produced at a lower rate than it is slowly degrading, this is the most psychoactive point for this type or variety, it will never produce true amber, instead when you get the oxidised thc starting to show, which is more of an amber brown but cloudy. With this type of var as soon as brown trichomes start appearing you know thc production is way over the top and declining rapidly, at this stage psychoactivity is also declining and the effect becomes more and more narcotic. You see this much more with genes that come from hash making type genetics or so called indicas. Its the same thing as fresh lightly pressed hash has a nice medium honey coloured look, but this very quickly starts to darken, becomes brown then black over time as the surface thc oil oxidises.

Real Amber trichomes only happen on a very few varieties (mainly sativa dominant), the order is clear, clear slightly pale yellow, ie [going amber], to clear red amber. [at all stages they remain jewel clear]

With most varieties (indica dominant) you get clear trichomes then slightly cloudy finally milky.

What happens to both types (sativa and indica) is that eventually both milky and amber trichomes will finally degrade to brown, people often confuse this brown with amber, true amber trichome types remain crystal clear until they finally degrade, they are not the same, the final brown is cloudy/muddy in both types, when trichomes are getting to this stage potency is declining rapidly and the buds well over the top.

With sativa dom’s time means little, as soon as you see the first sign of trichome changes ie milky/clear straw, you start cutting a bud every week, then choose the stone you like best, sats take longer to mature especially real amber types, also longer to degrade to the brown oxidised stage.
 
Ambering of the trics is the plant's response to UV light. Yes, not all auto strains will show amber. Whether this is a response to the type of light being used or genetics hasn't been fully determined. So with autos going by amber trics isn't always the best method for knowing when to harvest. I prefer using the color of the leaves. Judging from your picture I'd say you have about 3 more weeks till it's done. More info here: https://www.autoflower.org/f44/when-harvest-autos-your-leaves-will-tell-you-4889.html.


 
Hey Muddy, I've read your sticky 1,000 times over and I know your answer is going to be something along the lines of 'get better nutes and you wouldn't have this problem' lol

HOWEVER.
without a PPM meter and or soil test kit - how do you differentiate between a SEVERE nutrient deficiency and finishing?

Example - I have a girl (Fast Bud #1 from sweet seeds) thats on day 67 from seed. She's been flowering for 55 and is marketed as a 60 day finisher, emphasis on the marketed lol. I don't see one amber tric but her leaves are in awful shape.
Now I've been told on more than one occasion by Waira (hes a big fan of mine lol) that my nutes are lacking in the P-K area. I do have his recommendation of SeaGrow GrowMore bloom (4-26-26) on the way but its probably too late in the game to hit her with that when it gets here.
So my current available nute line up for her has been the GH Flora Series micro at 5-0-1 grow-2-1-6 bloom - 0-5-4 Miracle Grow QuickStart at 4-12-4 and DynaGro Mag Pro at 2-15-4.
I last gave her (all are per gallon) 1 tsp of the DynaGro and 1/2 tsp of the MG 5 days ago.
So how can I tell if she's closing in on harvest or is severely lacking when going by trichomes and breeder times are not reliable ways to go?

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Thx Muddy,

I got some closeups. What would you say these pics tell us?

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