Afgan Kush Ryder and Himalaya Blue Diesel problems! Help PLEASE!

[whatsgoodie]

That many problems all at once is huuuuuge PH swings to the point of the soil being uncontrolled and nutrient uptake being stopped dead in it's tracks. I'd flush, definitely flush - give them a couple days to dry out after flush. PH strips don't work for shit if your nutrients have ANY sort of color, at all. The reading will come out inaccurate. I've argued this up and down on forums before and I promise you, coloration of the water whether it's just a slight hue or a major tint will throw off the way the strips read. Get a PH pen! $20 milwauke one will come with enough calibration solution to get you through this grow, then just buy a bottle of solution for $20 that'll last a couple years.

Also, it's 3x the size of the pot for a flush but 3-4 gal of water per pot should be fine this early in the grow. I'd look into Sledgehammer (or any yucca extract for that matter) to keep on hand in case you need to flush in the future. Let's you flush just using the pot size for water. Works wonders.

 

[redman]

Ive always grown with the knowledge that if you are growing in soil then you dont have to worry about the pH. The soil will act as the buffer for you. Ive never pH'ed during soil grows and I live in a hard water area. Tap is around the pH 8 mark with a ppm reading of 250-300. Never pHed in soil. Jus in coco when I used that stuff. Then down to 5.8. So personally I dont think its pH. Pic 12 looks like Ozone damage but you dont run one of them do you?
But Id flush it all thru wid a very mild nute mix indeed. 1/8 or less. If it is pH, which it could be, then something is amiss. You shouldnt get any probs like that in soil. Hydro yes,not soil. Never used stuff so cant coment on it.Good luck whatever you do.

 

[Nelson]

That level of pH should be no probem. My next thing I worry about with a plant looking like that is clorine in the water. If you using tap water the clorine should burn off in a day or two of sitting out and it sounds like you are doing that also. I like to suggest a rain barrel for watering hooked up to your eaves troughs. Just one of those things that sure makes plants happy.

Have you inspected your [lants carefully for spider mites? At the same time check under the leaves for any sign of affids. Also check for yellow or brown spotting on the lower leaves.

I was using a tad over 1/4 dose of the recommended feed chart for the 2nd week flowering. Tomorrow will be their 3rd week flowering, and I'll make up nutes when they need them, but always 1/3 to 1/4 dose of Blue Mtn Organics - Grow it Green and Flower Power.

I water every like 3.5-4.5 days depending on the side drainage holes. I stick my finger in each one along the side to get a feeling for moisture or dry soil. The pH of the runoff yesterday was closer to 6.0 than 6.5, hard to exactly know with the dirty water and pH drops but they both were in between 6.2-6.4. I'm thinking next watering in about 5 days I'll use only pHed water to about 6.8-ish so the runoff will be a tad higher, right or wrong? I always pH to around 6.2-6.6ish, with the nutes it also makes pHing it correctly a little hard.

Heats been fine besides about a week ago the high was 83-84. Other than that heats good, better than expected. Right now inside 77.0 degrees, outside room temp 71.3 degrees. What does worry me is when I leave sometimes in the morning I leave the air conditioner on because the lights go off at 10am and I leave at 7-8am. But when I get back the low inside sometimes will be 62-66 degrees, is that far too cold for the night/lights off temps? Can it be causing the tacoing? The growbags and soil feel cold when I open up at 4pm when the lights come on. I also run the little fans 24/7 and 1 pointing on the girls. Does that annoy them and I should put them on the timer or do they like it? Oh. and humidity is always under 40%, never above 40%, usually 30-35%.

Watered them ph-ed tap water yesterday, but didnt get to check run off. HBD and AKR got 6.8 ph-ed water because the last nute feeding the pH was low around 6.2 ish.

 

[StealthGrown]

Ive always grown with the knowledge that if you are growing in soil then you dont have to worry about the pH. The soil will act as the buffer for you. Ive never pH'ed during soil grows and I live in a hard water area. Tap is around the pH 8 mark with a ppm reading of 250-300. Never pHed in soil. Jus in coco when I used that stuff. Then down to 5.8. So personally I dont think its pH. Pic 12 looks like Ozone damage but you dont run one of them do you?
But Id flush it all thru wid a very mild nute mix indeed. 1/8 or less. If it is pH, which it could be, then something is amiss. You shouldnt get any probs like that in soil. Hydro yes,not soil. Never used stuff so cant coment on it.Good luck whatever you do.

thanks man, I dont have an ozone generator. my water is very hard and smells like a pool, chlorine smell.

 

[StealthGrown]

That level of pH should be no probem. My next thing I worry about with a plant looking like that is clorine in the water. If you using tap water the clorine should burn off in a day or two of sitting out and it sounds like you are doing that also. I like to suggest a rain barrel for watering hooked up to your eaves troughs. Just one of those things that sure makes plants happy.

Have you inspected your [lants carefully for spider mites? At the same time check under the leaves for any sign of affids. Also check for yellow or brown spotting on the lower leaves.

Yea, I inspect the plants daily, but not sure if I can see any insects. Spiders mites are damn small right? I will check more for yellow/browing spotting on lower leaves, didnt see any last I looked. Mostly middle/top with the tips and rust spots and middle yellowing.

A leaf on the AKR is starting to yellow in the middle. I'll post a picture.

 

[StealthGrown]

New pictures:

They look like crap. The new yellowing of the AKR is far worse in person.

Thats a spider I found in the house, he ate an ant and a fly that I put in the little container hes in. I didnt mean to attach it, but it wont let me remove it. Think hes safe to put in the dresser or is the webbing they produce bad for the plants?

 

[whatsgoodie]

Ive always grown with the knowledge that if you are growing in soil then you dont have to worry about the pH. The soil will act as the buffer for you. Ive never pH'ed during soil grows and I live in a hard water area. Tap is around the pH 8 mark with a ppm reading of 250-300. Never pHed in soil. Jus in coco when I used that stuff. Then down to 5.8. So personally I dont think its pH. Pic 12 looks like Ozone damage but you dont run one of them do you?
But Id flush it all thru wid a very mild nute mix indeed. 1/8 or less. If it is pH, which it could be, then something is amiss. You shouldnt get any probs like that in soil. Hydro yes,not soil. Never used stuff so cant coment on it.Good luck whatever you do.

While we'd all love that to be true, the soil will still spike - if you have a soil that pHs 6.3-6.6 and you hit it with a nute mix of 4.8, the uptake for the plants will still be <6.0 until the elements in the soil are able to buffer (dolomitic lime, oyster shells, etc). So now let's say you water with plain water, you don't pH, your water is 7.3 (my tap) then you water with some nutes and don't pH (most nutes drop pH, especially grow and bloom nutes will acidify the water some).. the pH of the nutrient solution is 5.4. These buffers are not immediate and will be affected by this, yes eventually the soil will stabilize out to 6.3-6.6 soon but in no way will it happen immediately. So @ 7.3 the lower end of the pH spectrum is cancelled out and stopped immediately, there will be no uptake. At 5.4 the higher end of the pH spectrum is cancelled out and there will be no uptake. Let's say you're eating your balanced diet and someone slaps your apple out of your mouth, how do you respond? The plants respond with stress.

 

[StealthGrown]

Alright, I flushed em with the tap water pHed to 6.8 and they didnt like it because they're so short that the water kept drowning leaves and definitely got the bottom pistils wet. Should I be worried? What do I do?

Have a lot of pictures for you guys, AKR first because it seems like its not doing good whatsoever. Its got brown dots and yellow spots, to brown/yellow leaf tips, to light greening from the veins spreading outwards and droopy dark clawing leaves.

I flushed with only about 9.5 of 11 gallons between both of them, the water was still dirty coming out but I made alot extra holes thinking it would drain quicker and that just made the soil come out easier. The flush definitely didn't go good, wouldn't say bad, but almost. Took forever, drainage sucks, needs more perlite I think, or the paper towels blocking good drainage.

The HBDs runoff after 4-5 gallons of 6.8-6.9 pHed water was 6.6, so I am right on the money almost. The AKRs runoff was whacky. The fish tank drops said 6.4 but GH drops came out to about 6.0-6.2-ish. Boy I wish I would have gotten atleast a $20 electric pH meter, Im no good or patient with the pH drop indicators.

HBD, looking alright. Small as well, just wider and more pistil production. Doesn't look like that at all in person. The flash makes her look like shes packing a little weight, but shes not. Not yet anyway.

 

[StealthGrown]

BuMp

 

[StealthGrown]

Bad bad bad looking girls. They're getting sick with something.

The leafs look like a murder scene, weird looking and weird colored patches Ive never seen before. Its like dark gray and brown spots. On mainly the HBD.

AKR, still bad. Small. What gives? I got the faucet filter for $30 bucks today. Hope it helps with my horrible hard tap water. Got 4 gallons filtered and sitting out with the caps off to evaporate all the bad stuff it can.


Whats goin on with these guys? More mag looking deficiency or am I missing something?