A glass of home brew and a smoke of a new auto breed I created.

[Alaskan1]

Hey All,
Lots of information here on this forum. Here's my situation; new grower with a grow tent. Just a hobby. I'd like to breed a cross and grow my own unique strain, just for personal use. Kind of like I do when I home brew my beer. I give each new batch a name, sometimes print a label for the bottle, and it makes it all the more fun.

I'd love to recline on my comfy deck chair about midnight, watch the glow of the Alaskan summer sun (never gets dark here in late June, and July), this time not just enjoying a new beer I've created, but also savoring the flavor and feel of a new strain of weed I've created. :lab:

So.... I'd like the cross offspring to be fully autoflowering, a mix of sativa and indica, and a nice touch would be a colored flower, such as the the blueberry strains (I could serve blueberry home brew with it!). THC count does not have to be super-high, necessarily. Sometimes a one-hit wonder is overpowering when there's work to be done around the house.

So I want some very stable strains, so there is little chance of losing the autoflower characteristic. I'm thinking lowryder or lowryder2 as one parent. Both are very stable. Lowryder 2 would be my preference, as it's a bit taller than lowryder, and there's more TCH and sativa in the plant, due to the Santa Maria the Joint Doctor crossed with the original lowryder.

What do you think? Is LR2 a good choice for one stable parent? (It's always a good thing when at lease one of your parents is stable. :roflcry

So question: which seed should I grow as the other parent, and why do you think your choice would be a good match, based upon stability of autoflower and other traits I've listed? Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions!:group:

 

[Alaskan1]

Huh!? No real interest in this thread it seems. I think I'll cross a Automatic AK47 with the Lowberry. Any comments? I've got the seeds now! WooHoo! So who can tell me, if I cross two autoflowers, will I likely get an autoflower, or just as likely not? If you're in the know about this stuff, let me know. Lots of reading to do here, but I've not figured that out. Hey! Check out my new grow journal thread with Lowryder 2. I've had lots of issues, and am working them out. Interesting journal I think. You? https://www.autoflower.org/f44/lowryder-2-grow-seed-smoke-19648.html#post379714

 

[Taviddude]

You can't just breed an autoflower with a photo, and get an autoflower.
You need to backcross the autoflowering trait back into your new hybrid because it won't be an auto. Some may auto, but very few, and unstable.
Auto crossed with Auto will be auto. Still unstable, and need to be stabilized but auto none the less.
Much easier to cross an auto with another auto.

 

[Alaskan1]

You can't just breed an autoflower with a photo, and get an autoflower.
You need to backcross the autoflowering trait back into your new hybrid because it won't be an auto. Some may auto, but very few, and unstable.
Auto crossed with Auto will be auto. Still unstable, and need to be stabilized but auto none the less.
Much easier to cross an auto with another auto.

Thanks! That's the info I've been looking for. Both strains, the Automatic AK47 and the Lowberry are autos. I have only fem seeds for the AK, so I grow out the AK females, and plant enough Lowberry to ensure some males. I pollinate the AK 47 females with the Lowberry pollen, and the seeds produced will be auto. Or at least some? Most? Then I take those that do autoflower, do the same thing a time or two (how many times?), always selecting the best that autoflower, and I'll have my own strain? Yes? Of course I just read that the Blue Barrel AK is a cross of these two strains, but still, more fun to do it yourself!

 

[sofa]

after that cross, you will have f1 generation seeds(unstable seeds)... you need to cross the offsprings another time choosing the best looking(your choice)plants with the characteristics you want the seeds/plants to have.. after that you will get f2 gen seeds.. a little more stable but not completely... you have do the same thing with the f2 gen to create f3 gen seeds.. they will mostly have the same characteristics you are looking for from the plants you chose to cross and be ''stable''... theyre is ALOT to read about it breeding..
https://www.autoflower.org/f8/question-f1-f2-f3-9026-2.html take a look at this thread.. very interresting. if not.. google is your friend hehe :smoke:

green karma to you Alaskan1

 

[Alaskan1]

after that cross, you will have f1 generation seeds(unstable seeds)... you need to cross the offsprings another time choosing the best looking(your choice)plants with the characteristics you want the seeds/plants to have.. after that you will get f2 gen seeds.. a little more stable but not completely... you have do the same thing with the f2 gen to create f3 gen seeds.. they will mostly have the same characteristics you are looking for from the plants you chose to cross and be ''stable''... theyre is ALOT to read about it breeding..
https://www.autoflower.org/f8/question-f1-f2-f3-9026-2.html take a look at this thread.. very interresting. if not.. google is your friend hehe :smoke:

green karma to you Alaskan1

Hey Sofa! Thanks for the info. You clarified things nicely!:thumbs:

 

[The Squid]

If you cross two fully Autoflowering Cannabis strains, all of them will be Autos. Of course there are sometimes those flukes in a strain where one doesn't Auto or something, but that is rare and will be just as rare in your crosses. Select strong, vigorous, parents that have the traits you are looking for. Crap in crap out. You don't have to use Lowryder to have a stable Auto strain of your own so to speak. There are plenty of stable Auto strains to work with. F1s are considered un-stable I suppose, but that doesn't mean they won't be good seeds or plants or smoke. There are tons of F1s going around. Generally, what one would buy from the banks as an established strain is at least F5 or so, most of the time, some even further.

If you take one auto and cross it with another auto you have F1 crosses, which are really just hybrids. There you have your Pheno stock which will be a mix of the two parent Phenos that you started with...From F1 you can continue to inbreed crossing those same Phenos to get them more stabalized. If you stick with the same ones and take it to F5, that will be pretty damn stable as far as my education tells me. There are SO MANY aspects in breeding, I could never just break it all down for you. Check out the Breeding section and read read read. Follow what Cres and Mossy say. Cres is always open to inform folks on proper breeding and crossing techniques. There is a difference between making some fun crosses/hybrids and really down and dirty breeding. But what you wanna do is fairly easy, just takes time and some keen senses. :thumbs: :smokebuds:

I would love to be in Alaska and be able to have 24 plants...would help my breeding and growing in general a lot.

Also, I love me some home brew beer! I haven't got back into it yet since last year though.

 

[Alaskan1]

If you cross two fully Autoflowering Cannabis strains, all of them will be Autos. Of course there are sometimes those flukes in a strain where one doesn't Auto or something, but that is rare and will be just as rare in your crosses. Select strong, vigorous, parents that have the traits you are looking for. Crap in crap out. You don't have to use Lowryder to have a stable Auto strain of your own so to speak. There are plenty of stable Auto strains to work with. F1s are considered un-stable I suppose, but that doesn't mean they won't be good seeds or plants or smoke. There are tons of F1s going around. Generally, what one would buy from the banks as an established strain is at least F5 or so, most of the time, some even further.

If you take one auto and cross it with another auto you have F1 crosses, which are really just hybrids. There you have your Pheno stock which will be a mix of the two parent Phenos that you started with...From F1 you can continue to inbreed crossing those same Phenos to get them more stabalized. If you stick with the same ones and take it to F5, that will be pretty damn stable as far as my education tells me. There are SO MANY aspects in breeding, I could never just break it all down for you. Check out the Breeding section and read read read. Follow what Cres and Mossy say. Cres is always open to inform folks on proper breeding and crossing techniques. There is a difference between making some fun crosses/hybrids and really down and dirty breeding. But what you wanna do is fairly easy, just takes time and some keen senses. :thumbs: :smokebuds:

I would love to be in Alaska and be able to have 24 plants...would help my breeding and growing in general a lot.

Also, I love me some home brew beer! I haven't got back into it yet since last year though.

Thanks for the info! Hey, home brewing is awesome. A bit off topic, but do you know Chemay beer? It was started by the monks in Belgium centuries ago. You can buy it, but not the naturally occuring yeast that is from that region that is tolerant to high alcohol. The bottles have sludge at the bottom, and I (actually my dad- a master brewer) was able to feed the sludge some yeast nutrient and get it growing. Now we have the highest alcohol content Chemay beer of our own. The stuff costs like 15 bucks a bottle, but I've had it for pennies a pint. Yum!

 

[The Squid]

Never heard of it, but sounds cool, mate.

 

[thud]

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Ruderalis/Original_Strains/genealogy/ As you can see, the early ones were LR1 crossed with favorite varieties. Later they did the same with LR2. Thus you can select an LR2 derivative that is close to the smoke you want. By using that you save yourself a lot of work.

but do you know Chemay beer?

Certainly. There are lots of good beer yeasts for sale., SO4 is very popular because it settles into a sludge that allows you to pour without churning up the sediment. For high alchohol beers, start with a beer yeast, they will top out at about 10%. Then continue the fermentation with a champagne or high alcohol turbo yeast. The beer yeast gives it flavor whilst champagne yeasts make the beer taste more cidery. If you put the two yeasts in together, the champagne yeast will kill off the weaker beer yeast before it can get started.