A couple of questions

[TheCannabist]

I hear you man, I think I will just start with regs and I have the beginnings of a plan. I want to cross duurty dragons with pyramid seeds auto purple:

https://www.pyramidseeds.com/AUTOFLORECIENTES/AUTO_PURPLE

I want something really purple, fruity and with an uplifting high + potent enough so I figure these two should be a good combo. My queries are, how do you select a male which will increase the proportion of purple offspring and likewise how do you select the right mother for the same purpose. I say this because, as far as I can see, you need to harvest pollen and fertilise the mother before the purple traits would have really come through on either plant, no?

I can't imagine not having fun breeding cannabis lol.



TC

 

[The Squid]

I just typed a long reply and my internet dicked me. It angers me, but I will go again.

You need to work with those plants and really get to know them. You won't really know until you get finished product, and smoke it. So make all the crosses you can just keep up with everything and label and compare at the end. Then you'll know what beans to keep breeding with. Takes notes, don't get mixed up.

You can also lock down the pheno you want in each individually and then cross those two. If you just cross those two from the bank then you're going to end up with several different phenos to sort through, some of which you don't want, like the non purple ones. You are going to have to do it either way, but I like the method of locking down each strain individually and then crossing. Either will work.

For instance just grow as many Duurty Dragons as you can and cross them. Keep up with what is what and when you have the really purple one, grow those beans out and you'll start seeing more purple, then cross those and use the most purple ones again, just keep going and eventually almost every one will be the purple pheno. It's what Wiz has been doing except the reds have been pulled out, that's why the new DDs will be the Red pheno selection. See what I mean?

Then do the same thing with the Pyramid Purple. And after a while you will have beans from each strain, but that are the purple phenos instead of mixed phenos. Then cross THOSE two and bam. Super mega ultra purple 2 years later. Hope this helped.

 

[TheCannabist]

Awesome man that sounds like very good advice. So just to clarify, I would make as many crosses as I can out of say 5 plants (very limited space) and keep note of which parents spawned which seeds. I'm guessing I should pollinate different branches with pollen from different males and tag them. Number all the plants and keep a photo record etc. Grow out the females and take note of the most purple one and grow out those beans, with a number of different fathers, then rinse and repeat.

Do the same thing with the other strain and then cross the two pure purple versions of each strain and end up with super mega ultra fruity purple dragon. This is probably going to take a little longer than anticipated but I feel it will be worth it

Sorry I'm just thinking out loud now lol. Thanks for the advice Squid, props to you bro.

 

[TheCannabist]

I feel your internet frustration pain brother... it happens to the best of us

 

[The Squid]

Yep you got it. But you need to do the same thing with the males if you really want to breed. If you're just simply making crosses for personal use or for your buddies then it's fine. If you're breeding you need to grow those males out, but they mature a little quicker than the females so it isn't that bad. Watch them, learn their moves and traits. Look for your color in them too, as well as potency. When they are mature and starting to open their pollen sacs(anywhere from 3-5 weeks) pinch off the top little cauliflower pod on the very top of the plant, dry it out, and smoke it in a bowl or whatever in the morning or whenever your first smoke of the day is... take notes on flavor and potency, if you get high, that's a great candidate, because it's a larger ratio of not getting a buzz than getting one. It probably isn't going to be the best bowl in the world, but in the long run it's just one bowl every now and then for us breeders and learning breeders. I am about to do the same soon. Males are 50% of your outcome genetics so don't forget about them. The dudes need more or less the same treatment.

Take note also that a good bit of info that I am passing along comes straight from cres, one of our breeders, for HighRise Seeds.

 

[TheCannabist]

Squid you da man. My dream/secret goal is to get some seeds up for sale on the AFN seed shop, so keeping the males is something I want to do, but I won't be able to keep them separate from the females so unintended pollination would be a big risk. Are there any tricks to get round it?? I read somewhere that you can put a bag over the sacs and collect the pollen in that which would also stop accidental pollination, but I would have to remove all the other sacs which aren't in the bag. I suppose it'd be best to remove all the sacs except the ones right at the top and put a small paper bag over those, but might this affect how they develop and make the smoke test you mentioned a little skewed among other possible side affects.

I like the sound of really analysing the traits of all the different plants, just the kind of thing I love and I'm sure I've smoked worse bowls lol. But what I really want to know to make it more productive is which traits tend to be inherited from which parents (i.e. male/female). Now I know that someone (i think it was LBH) put up a list somewhere containing just that but I can't find it for the life of me. If anyone knows where I could find it or has a link I will send you the first seeds of my breeding project lool.

 

[The Squid]

I'm not sure where that info is man, sounds kinda familiar though. And you are really gonna have some problems with keeping your males in the same spot. I made a 'MailBox' for may males, haha, out of a big cardboard box, cut a hole out and taped a little box fan to it for exhaust and attached two 2 foot T5s to the top. And that box is on the opposite side of the house as my tent and closed off. Pollen is sneaky, it can travel a long way and you won't even see it. If you keep them in there it will most likely pollenate your entire population for sure and you will have a shit ton of seeds. And you don't need all them you need some buds to smoke too with no seeds. Plus, if it ends up being not what you're looking for those beans are sorta trashed anyway.

Someone else may know a way to keep them together, but I really doubt it. You should look into at least doing something like I did. I eventually want another small tent for males only. The box works, but more space and better environment would be that much better. Plus I have no carbon filter and when I walk into that room it's pretty smelly and that's just males! haha Come to think of it, that's cool, I have an MI5 male and a Diesel Ryder they are both fairly smelly. Plus the carbon filter will filter out the pollen that surely flies around at some point. Right now my fan is just pulling free pollen out and blowing it around. I mist that room down and am pretty careful but honestly I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some pollen made it into my tent, but I doubt it.

 

[TheCannabist]

I suspected that would be the case. lame. I might just get some seeds of each strain and chuck'em in together and see what I get. At least I wouldn't need to buy any seeds for a while and might get some nice crosses. Both look like nice strains so can't go too far wrong I guess.

Love the MailBox, I would do the same but I just don't have the space and my gf will not allow it lol.

 

[agito]

a window is enough light to bring a male on

 

[TheCannabist]

I know but my windows are north facing and we live in a flat where the land lord and my gf's parents etc tend to pop round, so she won't let me have plants out like that. To be honest I don't think it's a good idea either. The main objective when making my cab was stealth and I'm not going to forfeit that, much to my dismay

AAhh well good things come to those who wait ay.