New Grower 1st organic (biobizz) grow..droopy,thin new growth light coloured leaves,red stems HELP!

Hi Spangles thanks for replying dude....
This is the email I had from biobizz which I've followed minus alga-mic as I haven't been in the position to get any... I haven't raised the grow from 1ml/l or the bloom/top (due to worrying if overfeeding again) in fact the feed before the last I actually used 1/2 strength nutes but my last feed 3days ago I returned to 1ml/l of each plus 1tsp epsom to 4l....I'm due to water today.

Thanks for contacting us and welcome in the world of organic gardening J.

First of all, when growing organic, you don’t need to measure the EC and pH value like you would when using a mineral medium. Biobizz products only contain natural organic elements, giving them a very low Electrical Conductivity (EC) value. And while the organic elements can’t be measured, they do have a self-regulating system, which helps maintain the pH values at the correct level.


So, under normal circumstances, pH correcting is not required. Biobizz products have a low pH. When you mix them with water, they will lower the pH naturally. Afterwards, the organic material enters the soil, where it starts to decompose. This is also a natural process and guarantees a naturally occurring pH level in the soil of 6,2. And that is just spot on.


Nevertheless, there are always exceptions of course. For example if the water you´re using is very hard or soft. Measuring = knowing.


If the pH goes below 6,0, it means the organic material is no longer assimilated correctly and either you suffer from deficiency or overdosage of a sudden release of too much fertilizer. In that case some Epsom Salt halfway through the flowering circle might do the trick.


If the pH is higher than 7,0 after mixing, you can use more natural sources like Dolomite lime, apple vinegar or citric acid to adjust the pH. We do not recommend to use a chemical pH up or down, because (like you already said) it might kill some of the microbes in the soil. So, don't fiddle around with the pH of the water too much! Only adjust it when it is really, really necessary. If the pH is 6,2 -or a bit higher, up to 7,0- you have to do nothing. Let the soil work its magic!


In your case, I think there were still enough nutrients in the soil for your seedlings. So I’d just continue. You can consider (if you have it) to add Alg-a-Mic to every watering. This will 'destress' them and keep them 'zen' .


For growing auto’s there are some thing you have to keep in mind. Overfeeding autoflower plants is the most common beginner grower’s mistake. You can overfeed and not even know that you are harming until it is too late ;).


For autoflower you can also use our grow schedule, the easiest way to use Biobizz is togrow in Light-Mix, but to follow dosages for All-Mix. This way you can control the NPK's better, by using liquid products. The key to working with autoflowers is to ensure a low Nitrogen level at all times. Too much nitrogen and your plants won't flower ;). Here some more precise info that might come in handy:


1: Germinate the seeds

2: Plant them in Light-Mix

3: For the first week, you can use some Root-Juice and/or Acti-Vera to help boost the growing process ( 1-2ml per liter), but it is not necessary.

4: After two weeks, start with 1ml of Bio-grow or Fish-Mix (1ml per liter maximum!) and continue with Root-juice and/or Acti-Vera ( 2-3ml per liter ). Make sure not to give too much Fish-mix when your auto’s are not flowering yet! Too much Nitrogen and they will not flower!

5: From the moment your plants start to flower, continue with Bio-grow or Fish-mix (1 ml per liter ) and start adding Bio-Bloom, Top-max and if you please Bio-Heaven at 1ml per liter.

6: Every week you increase the dosages of Bio-Bloom, Top-Max and Bio-Heaven with 1ml per liter to a maximum of 4-5ml per liter. Take it easy, too much nutrients will kill your plants. It won´t die from too less nutrients.

7: Respect one week of flushing before harvesting. So one week before the plants are finished, stop using all Biobizz products and feed only with plenty of water


Kind regards,


Team Biobizz.


Thanks for the charts I honestly never thought they would handle that many nutes with being autos but I'm a proper noob to organic growing
 
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No worries mate. I've found that when you have overfed N, calcium, then magnesium are the first things locked out. I'd feed a little alg a mic, or feed foliar with it, it works wonders. How much water per feed do you give them, what size pots ect?
Between 4-5l very 3days but depends how dry I find them and thats shared between the 2 plants and theyr'e in 3gallon fabric smart pots...both showing roots out of the bases btw...not sure if that's' an issue?
 
Hi Spangles thanks for replying dude....
This is the email I had from biobizz which I've followed minus alga-mic as I haven't been in the position to get any... I haven't raised the grow from 1ml/l or the bloom/top (due to worrying if overfeeding again) in fact the feed before the last I actually used 1/2 strength nutes but my last feed 3days ago I returned to 1ml/l of each plus 1tsp epsom to 4l....I'm due to water today.

Thanks for contacting us and welcome in the world of organic gardening J.

First of all, when growing organic, you don’t need to measure the EC and pH value like you would when using a mineral medium. Biobizz products only contain natural organic elements, giving them a very low Electrical Conductivity (EC) value. And while the organic elements can’t be measured, they do have a self-regulating system, which helps maintain the pH values at the correct level.


So, under normal circumstances, pH correcting is not required. Biobizz products have a low pH. When you mix them with water, they will lower the pH naturally. Afterwards, the organic material enters the soil, where it starts to decompose. This is also a natural process and guarantees a naturally occurring pH level in the soil of 6,2. And that is just spot on.


Nevertheless, there are always exceptions of course. For example if the water you´re using is very hard or soft. Measuring = knowing.


If the pH goes below 6,0, it means the organic material is no longer assimilated correctly and either you suffer from deficiency or overdosage of a sudden release of too much fertilizer. In that case some Epsom Salt halfway through the flowering circle might do the trick.


If the pH is higher than 7,0 after mixing, you can use more natural sources like Dolomite lime, apple vinegar or citric acid to adjust the pH. We do not recommend to use a chemical pH up or down, because (like you already said) it might kill some of the microbes in the soil. So, don't fiddle around with the pH of the water too much! Only adjust it when it is really, really necessary. If the pH is 6,2 -or a bit higher, up to 7,0- you have to do nothing. Let the soil work its magic!


In your case, I think there were still enough nutrients in the soil for your seedlings. So I’d just continue. You can consider (if you have it) to add Alg-a-Mic to every watering. This will 'destress' them and keep them 'zen' .


For growing auto’s there are some thing you have to keep in mind. Overfeeding autoflower plants is the most common beginner grower’s mistake. You can overfeed and not even know that you are harming until it is too late ;).


For autoflower you can also use our grow schedule, the easiest way to use Biobizz is togrow in Light-Mix, but to follow dosages for All-Mix. This way you can control the NPK's better, by using liquid products. The key to working with autoflowers is to ensure a low Nitrogen level at all times. Too much nitrogen and your plants won't flower ;). Here some more precise info that might come in handy:


1: Germinate the seeds

2: Plant them in Light-Mix

3: For the first week, you can use some Root-Juice and/or Acti-Vera to help boost the growing process ( 1-2ml per liter), but it is not necessary.

4: After two weeks, start with 1ml of Bio-grow or Fish-Mix (1ml per liter maximum!) and continue with Root-juice and/or Acti-Vera ( 2-3ml per liter ). Make sure not to give too much Fish-mix when your auto’s are not flowering yet! Too much Nitrogen and they will not flower!

5: From the moment your plants start to flower, continue with Bio-grow or Fish-mix (1 ml per liter ) and start adding Bio-Bloom, Top-max and if you please Bio-Heaven at 1ml per liter.

6: Every week you increase the dosages of Bio-Bloom, Top-Max and Bio-Heaven with 1ml per liter to a maximum of 4-5ml per liter. Take it easy, too much nutrients will kill your plants. It won´t die from too less nutrients.

7: Respect one week of flushing before harvesting. So one week before the plants are finished, stop using all Biobizz products and feed only with plenty of water


Kind regards,


Team Biobizz.


Thanks for the charts I honestly never thought they would handle that many nutes with being autos but I'm a proper noob to organic growing


Hey pal no worries just trying to help ;) I am far from a expert and my best recommendation is still to post over in the infirmary for a real in depth diagnosis.

I have always found Biobizz to be very mild even when it comes to autos 75%-100% of the normal schedule depending on the growth stage seems to be ok. By going past experience i see it hard to see the girl getting a excess of nitrogen with bio grow at only 2ml/L, but then again could be possible if she was a picky strain. Is hard to tell due to the pics under the HPS but the leaves also don't seem overly green another sign of excess N, the clawing in the leaf looks more like a curl and don't notice any leaves with the sharp angled claw.

But then again this is just advice based on my past experiences with these nutes and could well be wrong. Would still recommend again posting up in the infirmary to get more exposure and plenty of sets of expert eyes.
 
Hey pal no worries just trying to help ;) I am far from a expert and my best recommendation is still to post over in the infirmary for a real in depth diagnosis.

I have always found Biobizz to be very mild even when it comes to autos 75%-100% of the normal schedule depending on the growth stage seems to be ok. By going past experience i see it hard to see the girl getting a excess of nitrogen with bio grow at only 2ml/L, but then again could be possible if she was a picky strain. Is hard to tell due to the pics under the HPS but the leaves also don't seem overly green another sign of excess N, the clawing in the leaf looks more like a curl and don't notice any leaves with the sharp angled claw.

But then again this is just advice based on my past experiences with these nutes and could well be wrong. Would still recommend again posting up in the infirmary to get more exposure and plenty of sets of expert eyes.

I'm about to mix up my feed so I'm goin to up it and see what happens...theres definitely clawing dude I dont' think I showed it in the photos I posted but the very tips are yellowed and bent right over at 90° I'll pull them out n get more photos when its a bit warmer in the garage tomorrow daytime...I need to add them to the other post I made...I did follow the link to the infirmary but still trying to work the site out...one part said I wasnt allowed to post in that section so I scrolled down to a lower similar section then copied the parts it said and pasted it along with information in a new post? I'm not the best on sites new to me...I'm crackin on a bit now at 49 n not the best on computers lol but I think it's where it should be in the infirmary...
Cheers again
 
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(took a quick pic of clawing while watering)
Ive just checked and yes its in the "autoflower infirmary for sick plants" but yet to have a reply I'm obviously doin something wrong again lol
 
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That is a better pic mate and can looks for sure like signs of N tox claw in that pic, seems strange at 2ml/L grow at this stage but then again as i said before some strains can be more sensitive than others but i have yet to find one to OD on nitrogen at that amount at that stage.

I can see your post up in the infirmary now you should see some kind of reply soon enough so hang in as long as you can, most of the members working in there seem to be in the USA timezone so might get a reply out of normal hours.
 
It's more on one plant that was a day or 2 behind sprouting and it has been flushed a week back so hopefully the feed yesterday would have been ok but time will tell, I'm about to go and check on them...
Yes I thought probably mostly American dudes like most sites I've checked I'll just hold out n wait I guess
 
Just to update...

Hadnt seen any improvements at all in fact it was still degrading...emailed biobizz twice again with no response...THANKS biobizz! So after reading a similar post elsewhere (there are soo many with the same issues using biobizz) I followed the advice and fed only ph'D water twice, sacked the biobizz nutes and then fed with shogun terra grow/bloom.....today the plants are both looking 90% better, honestly can not believe the difference, fingers crossed back on track!
Thanks again for your input and intended help
 
Just to update...

Hadnt seen any improvements at all in fact it was still degrading...emailed biobizz twice again with no response...THANKS biobizz! So after reading a similar post elsewhere (there are soo many with the same issues using biobizz) I followed the advice and fed only ph'D water twice, sacked the biobizz nutes and then fed with shogun terra grow/bloom.....today the plants are both looking 90% better, honestly can not believe the difference, fingers crossed back on track!
Thanks again for your input and intended help
If it ain't working for ya, fairplay for switching it up, I hope it works out. Don't give up on BioBizz though, lot's of people grow lot's of nice herb using it.
 
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