Effect of Magnetic Field on Germination

[Olderfart]

KJmagnetics is an excellent source, thanks for posting it. The information on there about their huge selection of products is exceptional. I will likely be making an order specifically for my next germination setup.

By the way, if you know the size of your magnets, I can figure out pretty well which ones you have. The main variable would be whether they are N42 or N52 grade, but I doubt that there would be any reason to order N52 for woodshop purposes. I would love to hear what size they are before ordering mine.

These magnets are a hoot. I got pinched by a pair of small ones, and it hurt. They are remarkably strong. Never did I dream that I would use them to perk up seeds for germination.

 

[Buz]

Dear OlderFart (if that is your name), I finally got off my ass and measured the magnets. They are the 3/4" x 3/4" x 3/8" N-42. ( https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BCC6). 4400gauss surface field. ****However I have a number of the cylinders and discs from the shop and added those to the mix as KJ says the effects are additive, so I might be reaching over 5000gauss. BTW I will probably be ordering two of the the 1.25" diameter x 1/2" cylinders for further tests as it is much easier to build a round chamber with more room for seed using a drill press rather than the block. (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DX48) Also I will make housings for handling these little beasts, they can snap together and not only shatter but give a nasty bite.

It would be great if you could duplicate these results. I would feel less tin-foil hat like. I find it difficult to believe as well. In the works right now are the following tests. Treatment for 1, 3, 10, 30, 60 hours (so I can plot on semi log, old research trick) and then measure radical to give some quantification (the web seems to have a number of programs for measuring from photos, I'm working on finding a user friendly version). Also at the 60 hour time point I'm going to let 1/2 the group sit without germinating for 10 days to see if the effects are longstanding. Then go from there. If you have any other tests you think might be revealing I'm open for collaboration. BTW do you think High Times is a peer reviewed journal??

 

[Olderfart]

Dear OlderFart (if that is your name), I finally got off my ass and measured the magnets. They are the 3/4" x 3/4" x 3/8" N-42. ( https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BCC6). 4400gauss surface field. ****However I have a number of the cylinders and discs from the shop and added those to the mix as KJ says the effects are additive, so I might be reaching over 5000gauss. BTW I will probably be ordering two of the the 1.25" diameter x 1/2" cylinders for further tests as it is much easier to build a round chamber with more room for seed using a drill press rather than the block. (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DX48) Also I will make housings for handling these little beasts, they can snap together and not only shatter but give a nasty bite.

It would be great if you could duplicate these results. I would feel less tin-foil hat like. I find it difficult to believe as well. In the works right now are the following tests. Treatment for 1, 3, 10, 30, 60 hours (so I can plot on semi log, old research trick) and then measure radical to give some quantification (the web seems to have a number of programs for measuring from photos, I'm working on finding a user friendly version). Also at the 60 hour time point I'm going to let 1/2 the group sit without germinating for 10 days to see if the effects are longstanding. Then go from there. If you have any other tests you think might be revealing I'm open for collaboration. BTW do you think High Times is a peer reviewed journal??

You have it covered mate, if you do all that before my fall grow, I won't have anything else to test. But I will anyway, at least as far as the simple comparison. Your comment on the round magnets is spot on, I will have to have another look at options. I have a drill press, so making an effective cage for the round magnets should be easy. If you set up for round magnets, I'd love to see pics of what you come up with.

I noticed one thing of particular interest on the KJ site, they showed illustrations of the magnetic flux density in various configurations, and much to my surprise the densest flux is not between two magnets attracting, it is above the surface of a single magnet with steel plates on both sides of it. It may be the case that the highest flux density would be sitting on the surface of a round magnet sitting in a fitted drilled hole in a steel plate. Sadly, I can't think of a way that we could determine that for sure. Maybe testing this setup vs. one with two identical magnets with seeds between them would be worth doing.

All these variations could use up a lot of seeds...

 

[Olderfart]

Dear OlderFart (if that is your name), I finally got off my ass and measured the magnets. They are the 3/4" x 3/4" x 3/8" N-42. ( https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=BCC6). 4400gauss surface field. ****However I have a number of the cylinders and discs from the shop and added those to the mix as KJ says the effects are additive, so I might be reaching over 5000gauss. BTW I will probably be ordering two of the the 1.25" diameter x 1/2" cylinders for further tests as it is much easier to build a round chamber with more room for seed using a drill press rather than the block. (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DX48) Also I will make housings for handling these little beasts, they can snap together and not only shatter but give a nasty bite.

It would be great if you could duplicate these results. I would feel less tin-foil hat like. I find it difficult to believe as well. In the works right now are the following tests. Treatment for 1, 3, 10, 30, 60 hours (so I can plot on semi log, old research trick) and then measure radical to give some quantification (the web seems to have a number of programs for measuring from photos, I'm working on finding a user friendly version). Also at the 60 hour time point I'm going to let 1/2 the group sit without germinating for 10 days to see if the effects are longstanding. Then go from there. If you have any other tests you think might be revealing I'm open for collaboration. BTW do you think High Times is a peer reviewed journal??

here is the illustration I was referring to:

K&J Magnetics - Magnetic Fields

K&J Magnetics - Super strong neodymium rare earth permanent magnets at low prices. Huge stock, fast shipping, great customer support.

www.kjmagnetics.com

As to High Times being a peer reviewed journal, who needs them when we have AFN? I'll review yours, if you review mine. AFN - the only peer reviewed canna grow site online.

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

The gravity of the Moon has been used for centuries to improve germination, perhaps it has something to do with MF from the Moon? Anyhow this is very interesting and I will be following along and perhaps join in? @Buz Thanks for enlightening us.

 

[NORB YIPPLS]

For anyone interested here are review articles (PDF) to get you into the peer reviewed literature:
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6745571/)
(https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpls.2014.00445/full)
(https://www.mdpi.com/2223-7747/9/9/1139)

It was difficult for me to believe that something so simple could have such a profound effect and not be standard procedure. I did not think this up myself. A few years ago a local underground grower who is known to be a bit out there mentioned it to me and I filed it away in my mind as another weird idea of his. But his plants were something very special---- so I had to give him respect. And I googled.

Sounds like me lol
But only thing I've ever done with magnets is get free electricity lol

 

[NORB YIPPLS]

ive been placing quartz crystals of different types from different parts of the world in every grow ive done for ages now if anyone has ever noticed them​

Dont know if it has helped or done anything but ive fucking too many of them so why not,​

my germination rate is impeckable lol could the quartz be helping​

 

[HAWKMAN]

there are magnet lines that transverse the earth forget the name of ( something Lines) Also if one sleeps with his/her head pointing North - one gets a better sleep (the north south magnetic - running thru one's body help with the rejunivation one gets with sleep. FYI Also as one gets older one "shrinks" because of gravity (NO east/west sleep just north/south) (no-believers sleep north /south and feel the diference

 

[Bob's Auto's]

forget the name of ( something Lines)

It's Ley Lines brother

Ley line - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[HAWKMAN]

It's Ley Lines brother

Ley line - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

how right you are - Thanks !