Shallow Water Culture Explanation.

Explanation of Shallow Water Culture.

EDIT: Completed Grows Here => https://www.autoflower.org/forums/t...ntastic-perpetual-shallow-water-culture.83296

After being inundated with many requests (two) for an elucidation on the Shallow Water Culture technique... here it is...

Of all the hundreds of hydro set ups I've seen for some reason I do not see this type of set up, and by 'type' I do not mean something exactly like mine, but something that combines the best bits of various hydro techniques. Because hydroponic is so versatile, it's pretty easy to do it in multiple ways and one of the easiest and most reliable methods is a deep water culture, this has advantages over an inert substance hydro and it also has disadvantages. I have sought to look at all the pros and cons of various hydro set ups and take the best bits from each. In so doing I have come up with what I reckon is the perfect set up for combining ease of use and elimination of potential problems and I am now going to explain the principles that I work with.

I call this Shallow Water Culture specifically to differentiate it from the DWC because it's precisely the D in DWC that is the source of most of the problems. The most obvious problem is that in a DWC we have a relatively small reservoir which the roots occupy along with the pump. It doesn't have to be like this but it is. The main problems are ...

1.Roots become entangled with the pump, not in a quantum mechanical way, just the normal roots in the pump way.
2. Roots can drown due to lack of oxygen, so introduction of extra air is necessary.
3. Adjusting the reservoir and/or changing the reservoir is a pain in the ass for numerous reasons.
4. A relatively small reservoir can easily cause an over concentration due to evaporation, very quickly.
5. The extra work involved can cause the grower to slack off a bit which can sap the enjoyment of growing

I will now explain how a Shallow Water Culture solves all these problems.

First of all the plant starts off in Expanded Clay, however not in a tiny net pot but instead a rather substantial quantity of substrate. I like to use a 16 litre pot filled to the top with Expanded Clay. The pots I use is 11" across the top and 11" deep and top fed with a ring, or whatever shape suits. The first advantage of this is that Expanded Clay itself has a very large micro surface, and in a pot the size that I use, it creates a big opportunity for air to be sucked in. This eliminates any need to even think about air stones or lack of air or suffocating the roots. This would normally be referred to as an inert hydro grow. So where does the Shallow in SWC come from? The next part.

The next bit is not necessary but while it serves some slightly different functionality it is also built in redundancy that adds the advantage of a DWC to an inert media grow. The main pot is fully enclosed in another bucket and is held off the bottom somehow so the top tub drains out the bottom into the enclosing bucket which has an overflow about 2" off the bottom which then either drains into the reservoir that it is sitting on or what I prefer is that it drains into an external reservoir that is not underneath the main pots, the reason for this is that it's much easier to get to and is completely isolated from the 2" pool of nutrient, this is the shallow part of the Shallow Water Culture, which is completely isolated from not only the reservoir but also the pump. So you can easily see how each one of the normal 'cons' of a DWC is eliminated. I like to leave some air space above the shallow pool that quickly fills with roots that are also exposed directly to air. A properly set up Shallow Water Culture is two separate and redundant systems in one.

How deep you want the Shallow part to be is up to you. I'm happy with 2 inches but if you have the vertical height you could in theory make it as deep as you want without any of the problems of normal DWC.

You could also have a few pots all draining into a 100L (or more) reservoir, however I prefer to have a small dedicated reservoir for each pot. This is ideally suited to no tent, or a large tent. for a normal tent probably two separate pots with the reservoir outside the tent might work. Or even one single pot with the reservoir inside the tent is good because you can grow two or even three plants in one shallow water culture set up which can easily fill a normal size tent. Autos are made for all these variations, I think photo periods work well but are completely unnecessary as you begin to introduce complications that you just do not need. You can get just as big a result from autos. This type of set up is ideal for bringing out the full possibilities inherent in the automatic flowering concept.

Below I will illustrate what I use and recommend, which is the Nutrifield Pro Pot system. I just use their pot with holes in the bottom and their pot that is exactly the same but solid on the bottom. I also use their pot that looks similar but has not bottom and is used simply as a stand. The stand is not necessary you can use a milk crate as the stand but I like using their pot stand because it's compact and it's easy to spin the top enclosing pot around without it falling off. And it's only a few dollars.

The two main pots fit inside each other in various ways, by turning the pot 30 degrees the top pot can sit close to the bottom or it can sit much higher up. There are no holes so you can insert your drain or feeding holes wherever you like. I have the top pot filled with the Clay Balls, sitting fairly low, and I drill a hole about two inches off the bottom, so I use 22mm hose to drain. But I only use 16mm hose to irrigate, this mitigates any chance of flooding.

The Nutrifield pots have a top that top feeds, which doesn't work for me, I prefer to fashion a top feeder with 16mm tubing with screw in jets which are angled to distribute the nutrient. As you see you can also attach smaller tubes to the jets to focus on seedlings that are installed in EazyPlugs, which work very well in this system.
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Ok So it's Day 17 today, I got a bit overexcited on day 14 and maybe topped a bit prematurely, day was OK but I didn't leave myself much room, should have waited another day. Thought I'd do Blackberry at node 3 and Jedi at node 4. No damage done to the Blackberry...
 

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Jedi got a little bit tricky. I thought I'd do her at the 4th node, but I did not notice there were three shoots at the fourth node in a triangular formation. I picked the wrong two and damaged one. So I was left with a normal shoot and the rogue third shoot which looked like it was going to be bothersome, so i took that one off on day 17 so there are 6 branches plus one at the fourth node. Otherwise everything looking good. Jedi is nice and spacious and Blackberry is tight and squat but very vigourous, first true leaves on the blackberry started out with 7 petioles and they then went to 9. Last Blackberry I grew had flowers coming out of the leave! And I'm expecting the same here (above post).
 

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Ha! Nice I found this one.Thats a proper and prefessional setup of what I did and try again with my self watering hempy ... I just do it with perlite completely and not with clay pebbles and my res is smaller. I think I'll go through your grows. It's nice to see how skill grows!
I watched out for those containers, but they are australian only...but really nice setup.
I'll see if i perhaps switch over to clay pebbles, but my theory is theres even more O2 in the roots and the roots can move away the lightweight perlites on their way. But that said, perlite is easy to move, so plants can easily fall over or manipulated. You can do the first bow for LST more easily, by simple maying the Plant - it's not very tight in the medium, but have to be careful.
As I am starting over with my diy setup from 10 years ago, I declare everything new to me.
 
@kfigerm, thank KF! Right from my first hydro build 25 years ago in a 800L tank, I was obsessed with roots, I am convinced that the best roots are obtained by them hanging freely in air and being misted. However, it's looking like I have discovered a completely new medium to grow in that is so revolutionary that it looks like it may supersede my SWC, and it's all about the roots. So I have come full circle.

This is the Eazy plug pyramid, and I'm hoping it can replicate or my large grow. I currently have a bean waiting to germ which I will test in the pyramid. However I have been testing the mini pyramid which is about a quarter the size of the larger pyramid for a few months now. The mini is just a one litre volume, but it forces the roots into that superfine fluffy structure which is what I've been chasing and it works brilliantly, a one litre pot is equivalent to a 3 gal fabric bag. link in my sig.

There are thousands of newbies having a very difficult time growing a plant in a 3 gal pot, but all they really need is a mini eazyplug and er... nothing, that is it. I mean sure a a100W light and some A and B nutes. But no worries about the type of mix of soil, no worries about pH or even fertilising for the first couple of weeks, they can't overwater them, impossible to go wrong. This is the most revolutionary product and it's virtually unknown in the weed universe. How crazy is that.
 
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haha, of course I have seen that and wondered why you go that way...your results are nice, so question answered :cool:
Checked prizes here...20 € the 25 x 25 x 15 cm..one, how much perlite can you buy for that...but perhaps you got me hooked with these too :)
With this run I just wanted to re-introduce my system, but that would be not necessary, because you took it to a next level..and I love those australian pots...but I have only a small (not high) tent, thats why these pyramids would fit perfectly.

Cheers...and I will keep looking on your "pyramidal grows" of course :d5:
 
Yeah the pots are very clever the way they stack in different ways, they do sell them in the US.

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EU rodent...eeehm...resident :cool:
I just had some "experience" with shipping(costs) and customs...I am a cheap guy as well, if not I directly went to the store and get some pyramids.
 
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I just had some "experience" with shipping(costs) and customs...I am a cheap guy as well, if not I directly went to the store and get some pyramids.

Your comment about the weight of the substrate, got me thinking a bit more about that and I have come to realise that you don't really want the roots to be moved at all if you want that downey feathery fuzz. With roots hanging in air and a fine mist you get that, and once you've seen it you realise that this is what they'd do given the chance.

And that I think is the secret to the bonded substrate, you see when the roots get to the outside you can see they emerge covered in fuzz. That is when it dawned on me that the plug will be not just filled evenly with air pockets which can shift with movement even of water flowing through, that the bonded substrate will support the environment inside to create all these pockets of fuzzy roots, which is why when I cut it open after my first one I was mystified to see no roots!

So there we have it, all the discussion you see about soils, and pH and nutrients are in a *particular* sense just bullshit...wait, hear me out...because if you instead give the plant an environment that is root heaven, then all those other things become irrelevant, it's like putting expensive wheels on a car with a bad engine. Just an ordinary A and B nutrient mixed up to a fairly mild ppm of 1000, and the roots will take care of the rest. That is what I have found, because I have not bothered with pH adjustments at all on this latest batch.

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Interesting thoughts @The Iconoclast . I am on my way through it again. Heaven for the roots, yes, thats it, and that was perlite for me over pebbles.
Those pyramids save upwards-space as well. Thats what I need and yes...ten years off and perhaps I try them sooner, saving another 7W for the pump and the mess with res.
I like big plants and those pyramids do a really great job for you .
But now thats your show! :cool: And I am watching closely in the bigger pyramids ! If the price was half, i wouldn't hesitate, because i really like "kiss".
 
@kfigerm yeah I think you get it. The big pyramid is still only 6 inches in height, plug the cube on top. So, yes stay tuned on my eazy pyramid page for that which will be coming up. However back to the mini pyramids, not just no substrate but you can really have fun with the plants you can pick them up with two fingers, and turn them upside down, you can take them into the shower to hose off the algae. I have also just discovered LST clips so I'm going to try and make a flat scrog using them. Here's a couple of shots without distortion so you can get an idea of the relative sizes. I found an air fryer basket with handles today that is perfect,
 

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