Olderfart does mixed grow in Sunshine #4, autopots, DIY lights, and DIY growdrobe.

January 10 update - both good news and not so good

Well peeps, as a few of your may have gathered from my infirmary posts, this grow has run into issues. The bad news is that two of the four plants I intend to harvest have been seriously buggered by nute screwups. The good news, or at least part of it, is that I seem not to have quite killed them, and buds continue to at least pretend to mature. I may get something off them yet.

The other bad news a few days ago was that the miss Northern Lights showed symptoms of heading in exactly the same direction as the two buggered plants. As a result of her symptoms, namely what looked to me to be clear deficiencies of both potassium and phosphorus, I concluded that miss NL was hungry, and this pushed me to conclude that the problem all along with the two problem plants was that I starved them since initial symptoms were pretty much identical to what started with Miss NL, and they showed up more or less at exactly the same state of plant development. Anyway, the two problem plants were headed for doom if I didn't do something, and the other two looked to be headed the same, so I had to make up my mind which way to adjust the nutes.

So, I moved the two problem plants to ~1400 EC, i.e. almost double what they were getting earlier, and the other two to ~1200 EC, double or more than what they were getting earlier. It was likely a kill or cure move. If the problem plants were locked out, this would finish them off, and would worsen trends with the other two if the same process was going on with them.

It now appears that I moved in the right direction with nutes. Symptoms on the problem plants are not continuing to get worse, initial symptoms on miss NL seem to have halted progression, and so far, no obvious problems have shown up on the CBD mom. The last bit of good news is that it appears that the stud CBD plant has produced pollen, even if not a lot of it, so I should get some seeds later. Perhaps a good thing given Dinamed's legal problems of late. Loss of their genetics will leave a big hole in this hobby.

Enough with the words, here are the pics:

The three girls in the 2x4:
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The Seedsman Auto Strawberry Cheesecake at Day 64:
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Not dead yet, and no worse than a few days back, so maybe I'll get some decent bud yet in spite of my screwup.

The Mephisto Auto CDLCx3Bog cross, also Day 64:
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Not quite as sad as Miss Cheesecake, but close.

The Dinamed Auto CBD Kush, at Day 40:
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No signficant signs of mischief yet, and she is starting to color up. Looks like I may have dodged the bullet with her.

And last, the Seedsman Auto Northern Lights in her own DIY 2x2 at Day 56:
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Symptoms are stable, so she may stay on track now.

So peeps, the summary is two sad but not dead, and two apparently doing ok after I adjusted nutes.

Happy growing all, and try to stay safe.
Next page: Update on seed run
Previous page: My New Year's ladies.

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Looks like you might very well have sorted it out. Watching close and rooting for the crop!
 
Looks like you might very well have sorted it out. Watching close and rooting for the crop!
Thank you kindly. If both of us keep thinking good thoughts...

I took the two problem plants out today and removed a bag of dead fans and probable larf. The thinking being that I don't have a lot of producticve fans left, so more light penetration and less energy diverted to larf might be good.

At any rate, the decision was made, so we shall see. Thanks for checking in @olegren, and good luck with your grow. :pighug:
 
FWIW, After trying all the different types of recommended germination methods none with 100%, and some where I simply damaged the seedling while transferring it, I have finally settled on a method, that sort of had me laughing to myself because it is as simple as it can possibly get. I did a lot of thinking about why people soak, and why they put it between wet tissue and so forth and my reasoning told me that perhaps I should just put an unsoaked dry seed directly into an Eazy Plug. About 2mm below the surface and cover the hole with a tiny bit of the plug torn off from a corner. Sprouts in 3 to 4 days, like clockwork.

Welp, ever since it's been a 100% success rate and I can't see any point in making it more complex. That's what I've come to anyway. My thinking was that since the Eazy Plug after it's been allowed to soak up some water, remains the perfect environment, it doesn't dry out nor can it drown the seed. And the Eazy Plug protects the new root while it establishes itself.
 
Glad you have things turned around @Olderfart . I was surprised to see EC @600 to 700 for flowering autos. Just seemed way low to me for all my auto grows as i was usually around 1200 to 1400 with a bit of leave tip burn.
 
FWIW, After trying all the different types of recommended germination methods none with 100%, and some where I simply damaged the seedling while transferring it, I have finally settled on a method, that sort of had me laughing to myself because it is as simple as it can possibly get. I did a lot of thinking about why people soak, and why they put it between wet tissue and so forth and my reasoning told me that perhaps I should just put an unsoaked dry seed directly into an Eazy Plug. About 2mm below the surface and cover the hole with a tiny bit of the plug torn off from a corner. Sprouts in 3 to 4 days, like clockwork.

Welp, ever since it's been a 100% success rate and I can't see any point in making it more complex. That's what I've come to anyway. My thinking was that since the Eazy Plug after it's been allowed to soak up some water, remains the perfect environment, it doesn't dry out nor can it drown the seed. And the Eazy Plug protects the new root while it establishes itself.
Pretty much where I am now at, although I still like an initial soak and paper towel time to allow development of the initial tap root, which quickly confirms whether a seed is good.

The only reason that I might choose a transfer cup instead is because it would allow a bit more development before transplant into the final container, and this could be done under a clear cover on my heat mat.

OTOH, it is hard to argue against how the roots on my cbd girl developed. It would be nice to see a serious comparison, but I am not set up to do it, clones and a larger grow space being minimum requirements.

Thanks for chiming in, good to hear that someone else here is thinking along the same lines. :pighug:
 
Glad you have things turned around @Olderfart . I was surprised to see EC @600 to 700 for flowering autos. Just seemed way low to me for all my auto grows as i was usually around 1200 to 1400 with a bit of leave tip burn.
Yeah, my initial feeds were too low. I am pretty sure that I was starving them for quite a while, and the damage to the two older plants was remarkable. What I think I learned from the experience, aside from the EC levels needed, is that by the time significant symptoms show up, a hell of a lot of damage has already been done, and it will take multiple days after correcting before damage stabilizes. Put another way, reading the plants is a great idea for fine tuning, but major screwups like mine are far more difficult to identify early enough to avoid significant damage.

The reason that I was keeping feed levels down in the first place is that I was concerned that the autopot/fabric pot combo does not allow runoff, and salt buildup is a definite threat. I just went too far with it, and by the time symptoms showed up, a lot of damage had been done. The fact that initial symptoms were so ambiguous did not help either.

Every grow is a learning experience... :biggrin:
 
Yeah, my initial feeds were too low. I am pretty sure that I was starving them for quite a while, and the damage to the two older plants was remarkable. What I think I learned from the experience, aside from the EC levels needed, is that by the time significant symptoms show up, a hell of a lot of damage has already been done, and it will take multiple days after correcting before damage stabilizes. Put another way, reading the plants is a great idea for fine tuning, but major screwups like mine are far more difficult to identify early enough to avoid significant damage.

The reason that I was keeping feed levels down in the first place is that I was concerned that the autopot/fabric pot combo does not allow runoff, and salt buildup is a definite threat. I just went too far with it, and by the time symptoms showed up, a lot of damage had been done. The fact that initial symptoms were so ambiguous did not help either.

Every grow is a learning experience... :biggrin:
I went through the same thing with some clones I grew a few months ago. Starved them and then they slowly made a decent recovery. Good thing mine were photoperiods and I could let them veg longer.
Onward and upward. :watering:
 
Yeah, my initial feeds were too low. I am pretty sure that I was starving them for quite a while, and the damage to the two older plants was remarkable. What I think I learned from the experience, aside from the EC levels needed, is that by the time significant symptoms show up, a hell of a lot of damage has already been done, and it will take multiple days after correcting before damage stabilizes. Put another way, reading the plants is a great idea for fine tuning, but major screwups like mine are far more difficult to identify early enough to avoid significant damage.

The reason that I was keeping feed levels down in the first place is that I was concerned that the autopot/fabric pot combo does not allow runoff, and salt buildup is a definite threat. I just went too far with it, and by the time symptoms showed up, a lot of damage had been done. The fact that initial symptoms were so ambiguous did not help either.

Every grow is a learning experience... :biggrin:
Bro you said it if your not learning your about to be bit lol great job though on the seeds they look super good and a cbd harvest also. I forget if you said but are you going to extract any to make rso or something? I really love a 1to1 thc/cbd by far wat I prefer and I found mixing a pure cbd strain with normal variety to give me the same effect. I hope to grow some cbd this year outdoors.
 
Bro you said it if your not learning your about to be bit lol great job though on the seeds they look super good and a cbd harvest also. I forget if you said but are you going to extract any to make rso or something? I really love a 1to1 thc/cbd by far wat I prefer and I found mixing a pure cbd strain with normal variety to give me the same effect. I hope to grow some cbd this year outdoors.
Yes, the whole idea of growing the pure cbd strain was to be able to combine with THC strains to play with ratios. I will do this with coconut oil extract for sure so that I can make a salve for my wife who may be able to use it for relief of joint pain, and I may just mix a bit in the grinder to see how it works with other strains in a vaporizer. I might try tincture at some point if I can ever get down to the US to pick up some everclear.

Thanks for checking in Fitzy. :pighug:
 
No worries mate, the blogs work better for the grower's record, but sadly not for the readers. Not sure what I will do for the next one. Maybe both a blog and a grow journal. It wouldn't be a lot of extra effort to throw the basics in a separate grow thread and leave the details to the blog.

Thanks for checking in @Trichome farmer. :pighug:
 
mmm, my apologiez brotato chip :toke: u actually shoulda made it into the club a long time ago, lol, but hey, i smoke weed & ur name simply got lost in the shuffle that is me brain, so...:coffee: :rolleyes2: welcome to the club! :headbang: ppp
No worries at all my friend. I just didn't bother with it earlier. Not a big deal for me one way or the other.

Anyway, thanks for the prompt response, and for all your effort helping keep AFN friendly and fun.

Cheers mate! :cheers:
 

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