Strain stabilization question

[ob1]

I crossed a Super OG auto fem (reversed) with a Jack Herer auto fem the resulting seeds I called "Super Jacks".
I am now in the process of making F2's by reversing one and pollinating another.
The Super Jack that I am reversing is way bigger than I expected 1 Meter or a little over 3 feet and there are lots and lots of pollen sacs.
My question is if I get a lot of pollen, make some F2 seeds, store the rest of the pollen and later when I plant the F2s use that same pollen
would the resulting seeds be F3s or should I reverse an F2 and use that pollen.

 

[Olderfart]

Not sure, but I look forward to seeing what the breeders here have to say.

Good luck with your project.

 

[ob1]

Not sure, but I look forward to seeing what the breeders here have to say.

Good luck with your project.

Yes that would be great but I'm wondering if this may be a scientific question.

 

[Arthur]

Re-crossing to the original parent gives you F1 again.

Recrossing back to a parent is not uncommon, if the parent has something your looking for in your final plants. I'm currently in a process of introducing a male of one strain to a fem only strain. Every generation is crossed back to the original mother strain. Total of 6 generations. It's called cubing, and when done I will have male and female seeds that are about 98% of the original strain that was fem only. Every step is back to F1 although I add a small number for the round I'm on. F1 with a small 3 following, but that is only for my own records, ol' stoner brain here would forget if this was the 4th or 5th cross without writing it down.

 

[ob1]

Re-crossing to the original parent gives you F1 again.

They are Autos the original parents are long gone I am now reversing an offspring and pollinating another offspring.
I thought the resulting seeds would be F2's??

 

[Arthur]

Those would be f2 (unless the breeder was already at f2, then they would be f3) as long as your working with the children, your continuing the line as soon as you mix generations, your back at 1. At least as I understand it.

So if you reversed and crossed now, those would be f2. If you grow those out and cross F3. If you cross back with this pollen f1.

I believe.

 

[ob1]

Those would be f2 (unless the breeder was already at f2, then they would be f3) as long as your working with the children, your continuing the line as soon as you mix generations, your back at 1. At least as I understand it.

So if you reversed and crossed now, those would be f2. If you grow those out and cross F3. If you cross back with this pollen f1.

I believe.

I crossed the original 2 strains and made the auto feminized F1's now I am crossing 2 of the children which to make F2's.
the F1 that I reversed is very large and full of sacs.
so if I save pollen from this F1 plant and use it on a new F2 I will get F1's again but if I reverse an F2 and and pollinate an f2 I get an F3?
I hope this is right then if I saved F3 feminized pollen and pollinated an F5 of the same strain I would get an F1 correct?

 

[Arthur]

I believe you are correct. If you continue breeding the children, carry on the count. IF you cross back to the stored pollen, from previous generations, you restart the count.
Autos are a little harder to breed "for" traits. With photos you can run a clone out and make sure that's the one wanted... with autos, selection is required prior to many of the traits we look for appear.

 

[RYCBAR]

I believe you are correct. If you continue breeding the children, carry on the count. IF you cross back to the stored pollen, from previous generations, you restart the count.
Autos are a little harder to breed "for" traits. With photos you can run a clone out and make sure that's the one wanted... with autos, selection is required prior to many of the traits we look for appear.

That's what ive been thinking as well.


It kind of feels like the idea is. When reg or fem seeds are generated, they have the ability to pull back from 3(+) generations of DNA. You are trying to make it so every set of dna it can pull from are the same. After you backcross it enough. You can just self/reverse with genetic stability.

 

[Arthur]

That's what ive been thinking as well.


It kind of feels like the idea is. When reg or fem seeds are generated, they have the ability to pull back from 3(+) generations of DNA. You are trying to make it so every set of dna it can pull from are the same. After you backcross it enough. You can just self/reverse with genetic stability.

Really depends on where you are trying to go. In my case, I want males in a strain that is sold "fem only" to work with in another breeding project. So I cross Y1 male with X1 fem. And get YX1. But I want as little Y left as possible, so I breed YX1 back to X1 & get YXX1. First cross 50/50, second 75/25 third 87/13 etc. 6 gets me to approximately 98% of the original "fem only" but now with males to work with.

If I'm just carrying on someone else's strain, then breeding the children would be the way to go. Making your own seeds can be a blast, it takes a little preparation to deal with pollen without making a frigging mess, but can be done without too much trouble or expense.