New Grower SoSensii's First Grow - NITRO QUESTION

[SoSensii]

Hey all!

Im SoSensii - thanks for having me. Im new to cultivation, but Ive been doing ENDLESS reading, Ive watched just about everything available on youtube from Chef B, Growboss, Grateful Grower, etc. - Couple that with my general aptitude for learning and Im pretty confident about this.

Heres my details :

Ive got 10 plants going - 5 autos, and 5 photoperiods. Ive never grown autos before, but I started them 2 weeks earlier than my photoperiod strains, and I figure that they can hang out with my photos and be fairly happy - they'll stay small, be ready to harvest right about when Im ready to switch my photos to flower, and use up the 50%+ light Id otherwise not be utilizing while my photos grow up.

And so far, this is working exactly according to plan! I started everyone on 24 hours continuous light, with some good outdoor sunbaths in there, and in about 45-50 days, Ive got nice bushy little girls taking up exactly the amount of space I had hoped, indoors, running on 16/8 under 600watts.. Going into flower really nicely.

About a week ago, I noticed my autos getting fuzzy, and thats quickly escelated to nice little fingertip size, white fuzzy, buds... But then theres a problem...

Im only a week into flower, and already my White Widow Autos (seedsman source) - are showing some serious nitrogen deficiany with the last watering.

Is this normal? I know photos loose leaves during flower, but autos are a little different than Im used to with photos... Im used to my photos having longer to bush up, the autos and the photos reached very comparable sizes veging next to each other, the autos are a little less densely vegged, and the wilty nitro stuff seems to be coming on a little early.

Im growing in REALLY rich soil... My photoperiods are starting to show some really mild nitro drop, but none of them are going quite as south quite as fast as my otherwise prized white widow auto...

Im attaching some photos, is this too early into flower to be seeing this sort of yellow and droop? Keep in mind I took a shade leaf or two off of these last week for the same reasons.... Ive chosen to leave these ones attached now that I see how much nitro its using... My logic is that I might as well let her eat these leaves before she moves on to the rest (which is happening. the whole back end of her is droopy.)

The first pic shows an autolemon grown side-by-side with the white widow in question - its not drooping out... The second photo is of her little baby cola for an age reference...



Photos 3,4,5 are all of the white widow auto Im talking about - notice her back end leaves drooping, the few curling up and turning yellow a the bottom... The last one is of the baby cola on her to show you her relative age. Is this amount of droop normal at this phase? Or should I do a very light feeding? I havent fed yet, just been straight rich compost/soil, and the photoperiods arent nitro deficient at all yet.

 

[SoSensii]

One more of the side-by-side auto lemon so you can see how vigrous it still is in the exact same conditions.



Here are some shots of two of my Photoperiod White Widows, same soil, same transplant time, still vegging, for comparison. See? No nitro issues just that one plant.

 

[jingo]

Hey bro

Welcome to The forum and congratulations on starting your first auto grow.

I've never seen leaves droop from too much nitrogen, clawing under sorta could be called drooping.

Autos tend to like lower nitrogen feeds and I found the ones that I keep slightly nitrogen hungry grow the biggest. Using that standard I don't see your plants as lacking nitrogen at this point, some appear to be a little bit too green and the other is a little claw.

I saw a couple leaves with white specks visible on the top, they look different than your typical nutrients Splash or other issue. I wonder if you have a bug like thrips on the bottom of some of those leaves? Sometimes if you get root aphids down there in your soil the first symptom you're going to have is what looks like deficiencies or lock out.

We do have an infirmary section here and the guys in there are very good at Diagnostics. If you post over there try to include as much about what your watering routine is any nutrients you may have used if your measuring runoff do you have a pH meter, excetera.




Where I'm currently growing
Where I'll be Nov 1st

 

[SoSensii]

yeah I had leaf miners something horrible at the beginning of all this, but I was moving plants outside at that time... I completely sealed my grow room + removed the plants and nuked it with permethrins and the leaf miners didnt make it through the next hatching... It was like a plague!!!

As of today she perked back up a lot - the leaves that arent yellow are all standing nice and straight and at attention... Shes still eating those couple leaves, but Im noticing just how big those 3 really are compared to the rest and Im starting to think she just grew them for herself to eat... I foliar fed her a wee bit on the leaves that looked like they might be next on the chopping block and she seems pretty happy. TBH, I think they might have been stuck in a shadow too... IDK... shes feeling better today.

Thanks for the help!

Will post more pics as time passes.