Same type seeds, 2 plants look very different

[Choctaw]

Any idea on these 2 banana kush autos from ILGM. Both seeds were planted at the same time. One is tall and skinny, the other is short and bushy. I actually have 2 that are tall and skinny compared to the one that is short and bushy. One is over a foot the other is 6 inches, Im not concerned just interested in why they look different. The tall ones have went into flower the short one is just getting pistols.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Any idea on these 2 banana kush autos from ILGM. Both seeds were planted at the same time. One is tall and skinny, the other is short and bushy. I actually have 2 that are tall and skinny compared to the one that is short and bushy. One is over a foot the other is 6 inches, Im not concerned just interested in why they look different. The tall ones have went into flower the short one is just getting pistols.

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Different phenotypes will produce different growth structures. When a female produces seed, they all possess traits from that lineage but are not exact copies or even homogenous like clones.

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[logangrowgan2020]

Deth is 10000% on this.

I'll add that 'stability' or 'phenotypical variation' itself varies a lot cultivar-to-cultivar. even some breeders have a repuation for more consistent/less consistent plants. etc. from what I gather sometimes its annoying, sometimes its super fun

 

[Choctaw]

Different phenotypes will produce different growth structures. When a female produces seed, they all possess traits from that lineage but are not exact copies or even homogenous like clones.

Cannabis Genotypes and Phenotypes: What Makes a Strain Unique?

Two things influence the structural formation of the cannabis plant: genes and environment. This guide will carry you through the evolution of the plant.

www.leafly.com

Interesting, I will do some research on this. So is it safe to say the short one is the indica showing more and the tall ones are sativa traits?

Will they produce the same buds smoke wise, or with they actually be different?

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Interesting, I will do some research on this. So is it safe to say the short one is the indica showing more and the tall ones are sativa traits?

Will they produce the same buds smoke wise, or with they actually be different?

Indica and Sativa are misnomers as they don't actually indicate anything at this point aside from possibly the overall length of time it takes to harvest. Even that is subjective.

In the industry, they are looking to move past those names(cultivars) and strain(chemovars) names in general because it is the terpene and cannabinoid profiles that give an inclination to how the end product may affect the user.

Because of phenotypical differences among cultivars, the morphology(growth structures) from seed to seed will vary along with

Time to harvest
Aroma/taste(terpenes)
Color
Root growth
Pest/Pathogen/Disease resistance
Tolerance to Environment

This isn't an exhaustive list by no means but like a mother and father producing children, genetic variation will happen as each seed possesses the genetic blueprint of both cultivars.

Overall, I'd make no assumptions because ILGM sources their seeds from white label breeders - only they know who bred them or if they even have the qualifications which could lead to wild genetic variation, in the case of autos they may not auto.

This is different than Mephisto or Rocbud or Jean O or Mandalorian Genetics whom all breed their own genetics. Think Seedsman, so with that said you're guess is as good as mine but what you can do them is give them all an equally consistent, clean, controlled environment.

Breeder times are variable just like the bud that will be produced from phenotype to phenotype. Beyond that, I'm no breeder but those with good skills can have fairly homogenized results. I know my favorite breeders produces F1 seeds that are 70-80% similar is most ways from pheno to pheno compared to what I've gotten from Seedsman or other breeders.

 

[Choctaw]

Indica and Sativa are misnomers as they don't actually indicate anything at this point aside from possibly the overall length of time it takes to harvest. Even that is subjective.

In the industry, they are looking to move past those names(cultivars) and strain(chemovars) names in general because it is the terpene and cannabinoid profiles that give an inclination to how the end product may affect the user.

Because of phenotypical differences among cultivars, the morphology(growth structures) from seed to seed will vary along with

Time to harvest
Aroma/taste(terpenes)
Color
Root growth
Pest/Pathogen/Disease resistance
Tolerance to Environment

This isn't an exhaustive list by no means but like a mother and father producing children, genetic variation will happen as each seed possesses the genetic blueprint of both cultivars.

Overall, I'd make no assumptions because ILGM sources their seeds from white label breeders - only they know who bred them or if they even have the qualifications which could lead to wild genetic variation, in the case of autos they may not auto.

This is different than Mephisto or Rocbud or Jean O or Mandalorian Genetics whom all breed their own genetics. Think Seedsman, so with that said you're guess is as good as mine but what you can do them is give them all an equally consistent, clean, controlled environment.

Breeder times are variable just like the bud that will be produced from phenotype to phenotype. Beyond that, I'm no breeder but those with good skills can have fairly homogenized results. I know my favorite breeders produces F1 seeds that are 70-80% similar is most ways from pheno to pheno compared to what I've gotten from Seedsman or other breeders.

Thanks man. More understandable now.

 

[JaxsoNL5]

Just to add to the discussion because you’ve already gotten great replies…one of the things with top level breeders that release stable genetics and/or lines with low phenotypic variation (from my view at least) is the utilization of backcrosses, and more controlled pollinations. Those that take the time to hunt or get testers to search for the best phenos to work further, while also doing the work keeping a prized parent around to stabilize at the end with a backcross to try and lock in the desired trait(s) they’ve selected for. Regardless, they’ve put in a ton of work to get a line as stable as possible rather than mass pollen chucking to get a boat load of beans to cash in on.

No matter what though there will always be some degree of phenotypic variation with any cross, Mendel’s laws of inheritance will always find a way to muddy up even the best breeder’s selection process

 

[Delps8]

Indica and Sativa are misnomers as they don't actually indicate anything at this point aside from possibly the overall length of time it takes to harvest. Even that is subjective.

In the industry, they are looking to move past those names(cultivars) and strain(chemovars) names in general because it is the terpene and cannabinoid profiles that give an inclination to how the end product may affect the user.

Because of phenotypical differences among cultivars, the morphology(growth structures) from seed to seed will vary along with

Time to harvest
Aroma/taste(terpenes)
Color
Root growth
Pest/Pathogen/Disease resistance
Tolerance to Environment

This isn't an exhaustive list by no means but like a mother and father producing children, genetic variation will happen as each seed possesses the genetic blueprint of both cultivars.

Overall, I'd make no assumptions because ILGM sources their seeds from white label breeders - only they know who bred them or if they even have the qualifications which could lead to wild genetic variation, in the case of autos they may not auto.

This is different than Mephisto or Rocbud or Jean O or Mandalorian Genetics whom all breed their own genetics. Think Seedsman, so with that said you're guess is as good as mine but what you can do them is give them all an equally consistent, clean, controlled environment.

Breeder times are variable just like the bud that will be produced from phenotype to phenotype. Beyond that, I'm no breeder but those with good skills can have fairly homogenized results. I know my favorite breeders produces F1 seeds that are 70-80% similar is most ways from pheno to pheno compared to what I've gotten from Seedsman or other breeders.

Great explanation. Thank you for posting it. It helps explain what happened in the photo I've attached. Same strain, same seed packet from Nirvana, both topped, etc., etc.

I just bought seeds from Mephisto. In their product descriptions, they describe seeds as "F1" as well as "F6". Is it correct to assume that F1 is the first generation vs F6 which would be the 5 generations of breeding later?

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Great explanation. Thank you for posting it. It helps explain what happened in the photo I've attached. Same strain, same seed packet from Nirvana, both topped, etc., etc.

I just bought seeds from Mephisto. In their product descriptions, they describe seeds as "F1" as well as "F6". Is it correct to assume that F1 is the first generation vs F6 which would be the 5 generations of breeding later?


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I could be wrong but I do believe you are right. An F6 should be more homogenous than an F1. I personally love the F1's from my favorite breeder but they are more similar than different.

I'm not the best person to explain breeding though lol

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