R. Skunk ok for potency in Super ??

[StuffinPuffers]

Hi :howdy:
just got here...will intro when i have time..im in AZ, where, wooohooo, caretakers can do 72 plants...:dance:

so i want to breed some superautos...is ruderalis skunk from sensi potent?:hot: 8-14% seems easy to find, some commercial seeds claiming 17-20%...


is size and tri production/potency locked-in, or progresses slowly one gen to the next? (2-4 ft autos have lowryder parent)...can i get 6ft auto in F2 gen crossing, say 4ft to tall photo??

imma gonna luvva thisa placey....dont startta baggin now pleeza:buds:

 

[StuffinPuffers]

meh...i dont mind breeding the 100% auto trait in:ama:...thats what the rest of that post is about...potency & genetics are more relevant today...do alot of those commercial supers hermie? i think one or two strains have had some badmouthing...that would be worse since these will be outdoor...i do know R. skunk only autos 50%....it looks like it will be either R. skunk or SCH...i just want to make an informed decision..tomorrow
so all the other stuff and potency difference between those two and how long to unbreed hermie issues?

 

[StuffinPuffers]

i know some about mendel's laws...i have almost only been researching since last summer, and have asked only 2 or 3 questions at different places....

my free-seed is an auto diesel, 8-14%; their photo diesel is 19%...kannabia....i will read up more if need be, but do mendel's laws cover all the questions i posted? Maybe there is more...will check soon....

and what about crossing different sizes, like a 1 footer(0.3 metre), 1 metre, and 2 metre....then crossing f1s and/or f2s from the same or different batches (photoXauto and autoXauto)

again i dont mind reading up, just point me where....but it would be nice to have all this info located on a site/forum that i am supposed to stay at for life/make my autoflower information goto

maybe someone here has information directly related to the autoflower trait

 

[Jimb]

Out of an entire 10 pack of Sensi's Ruderalis Skunk that I bought from Gypsy, only 1 bean germed and it turned out to be a retarded mutant. I would stay away from that particular strain. Also stay away from Next generation's Bonkers. I didn't get 1 single seed to germ out of that pack either. Those are the only two varieties that I've ever had ANY trouble with as far as germination.

Not a super auto, but Sensi's Mexican sativa on the other hand, was a real gem. I didn't expect her to be so lovely, but she was a real treat. Dirt cheap, 6' tall outside, finished second week in November and it was a wonderfully clear / up high. Can't say enough good things about her.

 

[Northern Grower]

i know some about mendel's laws...i have almost only been researching since last summer, and have asked only 2 or 3 questions at different places....

my free-seed is an auto diesel, 8-14%; their photo diesel is 19%...kannabia....i will read up more if need be, but do mendel's laws cover all the questions i posted? Maybe there is more...will check soon....

and what about crossing different sizes, like a 1 footer(0.3 metre), 1 metre, and 2 metre....then crossing f1s and/or f2s from the same or different batches (photoXauto and autoXauto)

again i dont mind reading up, just point me where....but it would be nice to have all this info located on a site/forum that i am supposed to stay at for life/make my autoflower information goto

maybe someone here has information directly related to the autoflower trait

You can get autos in every size. Wiz talks about it during the creation of the JEM.
Back when LR was first put out, the small ones got released because that's what JD was trying to achieve, also it's what people wanted then.

No one can say for sure what will happen if you cross some thing with another. If you follow the law to a "t" you wouldn't see autos until the F2's at least. Wiz has seen them from the F1's and out in force.

There is also an auto thai strain called thai phan. Which has no rudy in it at all. So as much as we'd like to think auto is a cold conditions thing. Or a ditch weed trait. There is more to the book, than the cover shows us.

One thing that seems to hold true, is the auto trait is tied very close to the taste. It seems hard to capture the same essence of the orig strain used.

Zygote is a master of the auto gene.. He'll school you up

 

[mattinuk3]

You can get autos in every size. Wiz talks about it during the creation of the JEM.
Back when LR was first put out, the small ones got released because that's what JD was trying to achieve, also it's what people wanted then.

No one can say for sure what will happen if you cross some thing with another. If you follow the law to a "t" you wouldn't see autos until the F2's at least. Wiz has seen them from the F1's and out in force.

There is also an auto thai strain called thai phan. Which has no rudy in it at all. So as much as we'd like to think auto is a cold conditions thing. Or a ditch weed trait. There is more to the book, than the cover shows us.

One thing that seems to hold true, is the auto trait is tied very close to the taste. It seems hard to capture the same essence of the orig strain used.

Zygote is a master of the auto gene.. He'll school you up

So if taste and autoflower are each controlled by one gene, we would have to do a dihybrid punnett square.

Once you do a dihybrid of the f2, the dominant taste (ruderalis) would be in 3/4 of the plants, and the dominant photoperiod trait (photoperiodism) would be in 3/4 of the plants. However, if you want any combination of the traits, since it is a probability, you have to multiply together.

If i have a 6 sided die, and i say i'm gonna roll a 5, that is a 1/6 chance. However, if i have two dice, and i say i'm going to roll two 5s, the probability is now 1/36 that i will roll two 5s at once.

So, lets say you want autoflower, and good taste. That is 1/4 x 1/4, or 1 in 16 plants will have both of the recessive traits you want.

This fact is why sometimes autos don't have the best taste. Many breeders just go for the 1/4 that autoflower, and not the 1/16 that autoflower AND taste good. And, then after you've found the perfect plant with good taste and autoflower out of the f2, you still have to find the other sex that has the traits you desire.

Of course, you can still do pheno selection in the next generations, but if all you're bringing into the f3 is autoflower, and not autoflower AND potency/flavor, those following generations can't be as good as if there was strict selection from the f2.

 

[mattinuk3]

This is why some people don't like inbred lines too. Some people, when breeding for hard purple in a plant may take the first purple they see and breed with it, without waiting for their 4th or 5th purple to decide which is the best pollen to use.

Same thing with inbred sativas meant to flower quicker. Some of the lines lost a lot from the original parents after just breeding the fastest flowering for generation after generation.

Its possible to try to preserve several traits when inbreeding, but your plant numbers have to grow exponentially. If you want to preserve three traits that are recessive, that is 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4, or 1/64 plants will have the combination of traits you want.

At the f2 stage, for any given trait there will be a 3:1 ratio of dominant:recessive traits. So, in a hypothetical cross, if 27 of your plants are single cola, and 10 are bushes, you can safely assume (with a large enough sample of plants growing) that bushy is recessive and single cola is dominant. This goes for any trait that we assume is controlled by one gene. Remember, the traits you want to preserve aren't always recessive.

So, lets say that you want single cola plants (dominant) with the non-autoflower aroma (recessive), This would be 3/4 x 1/4, or 3/16 plants will have the traits you desire.