New Grower Purple fan leaves stems????..????

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Have some critical Jacks auto around day 30. I noticed around day 15 some purple on the stems to her fan leaves. So I started feeding csn17 bloom nutes. Went away, until today I noticed the upper 2 sets of stems were purple. Been feeding at 7pm 650 ppm base nutes (.5 bluelab) and 300ppm supp at 7am. It seems may be wrong hate to push the ppm to much, that 650ppm is max at this time for them. Just a bit of yellow tips, no curls on leafs or anything but a touch yellow tips. They are at 26" and seem to be growing about 2-3" a day the last 3 days.



Think:confused: the purple on the stem is hungry girls??? I dont think it genetic becuse its only on one that really growing fast around 3-4" a day??:confused::confused::confused:

In coco 3/g air pots 600 watt hps
This is my base nute at 650ppm (.5)once a day
Base nutes
CNS17 Coco and Soil Bloom Formula 2-2-3 at 10ml/g
Pure Blend Original Bloom Formula 0.5-0.5-1.0 at 5ml/g
Hydroplex 0-10-6 at 2ml/g

Supp nutes at 300ppm (.5) once a day
Liquid Karma 0.1-0.1-1.5 at 3ml/g
Silica Blast Soluble Potash (K2O): 0.5% at 2ml/g
Fulvex 1.0% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg) at 5ml/g
Cal-Mag Plus 2-0-0 at 2ml/g
 
Pics would help but i think ur a lil low on calmag as cal can look like over nuting and the mag could cause the slight purpleing. I use 3ml per gal of calmag with my autos in coco. Try bumpin the calmag up just a little the def isnt bad how u r describing it so its really not a big deal. Either bump base nutes a lil or preferably calmag remember not to ober do bloom boosters or it can cause a def like ur describing with the calmag.
 
Right on, I have bumped my cal-mag up from 3ml to 5ml no help but I think you have a point. Seems to me when I started using bloom booster shortly after I noticed the purple. Hmm.... Think I'll back off the Hydroplex and see if that helps
Thanks much

BTW anyone know how high a critical jack auto will top off around? I'm at 30" now at day 32 and their still growing like a weed (lol)
 
Yeah bro boosters could be ur problem but its not.bad.so no worries right. Just as a rule of thumb with.coco dont go over quater strength unless u know ur strain. So far i have not been able to go ober 1/4 strength but im useing AN right now amd they r a bit stronger than some others.
 
How are your temperatures? Purple stems and leaves can be from cold temps, genetics or a P deficiency. Does this sound like what your seeing?

When your plants are deficient in phosphorus, this can overall reduce the size of your plants. Not enough causes slow growth and causes the plant to become weak, to little amount of Phosphorus causes slow growths in leaves that may or may not drop off. The edges all around the leaves or half of the leaves can be brownish and work its way inwards a bit causing the part of the leaves to curl up in the air a bit. Fan leaves will show dark greenish/purplish and yellowish tones along with a dullish blue color to them. Sometimes the stems can be red, along with red petioles that can happen when having a Phosphorus deficiency. This isn’t a sure sure sign of you having one though, but can be a sign. Some strains just show the red petioles and stems from its genes.
So pretty much the overall dark green color with a purple, red, or blue tint to the fan leaves is a good sign of a Phosphorus deficiency. Having Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can make phosphorous absorption very troublesome for plants.
 
Thanks Muddy, wish I could snap a pic but saddly my boy is deployed overseas guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan but yet where I live weed is so against the law and I'm a little scared to post more than a "hypothetical situation". But my growth atm is out standing. As far as heat sad to say I live in the midwest (states) and we are in the middle of one of the worst heat waves. I'm fighting temps atm 105 out side (10+ days in a row of 100+) my tent is avg 78-82 lights on 74 lights off. Out side my over 80 temp the only thing I changed in the last week was the addition of Hydroplex (boom booster) to their diet. Thats why I"m thinking of backing of the booster a bit. To be honest I dont think I see a major problem atm but just want the girls to be all they can be and this is my first grow so I'm soooo learning. :-)
 
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I hear you on the outdoor temps this year, I'm getting hit with them too. Indoors, you are fine. That's the same range I run my plants in. What's the NPK of the booster? Usually they have a higher amount of P and if you're seeing purple on the stems, it should be useful to supply them with a bit more.
 
Ok I have a few questions also, I'm also got some GHS Big Bang auto going as well their at day 70 from breaking ground and they like the food, feed around 900ppm (1.8ec) they have also some purple almost red stems (on fan leaves only)as well.

I seen on Strain Hunters they say to boost the metabolism (franko from GHS) flush with 1.3ec and let dry out for 5 days and then hit it with 1.8ec, do this 3 times between week 3 & 6. Thats on the Big Bang but they dont say if thats an auto or a photo do you think its wise to do that on an auto??????

As far as what you asked here is what Iv been feeding the critical jacks and the npk from the bottle and how much I feed and when

In coco 3/g air pots 600 watt hps
This is my base nute at 650ppm (.5)once a day at 7pm
Base nutes
CNS17 Coco and Soil Bloom Formula 2-2-3 at 10ml/g
Pure Blend Original Bloom Formula 0.5-0.5-1.0 at 5ml/g
Hydroplex 0-10-6 at 2ml/g

Supp nutes at 300ppm (.5) once a day at 7am
Liquid Karma 0.1-0.1-1.5 at 3ml/g
Silica Blast Soluble Potash (K2O): 0.5% at 2ml/g
Fulvex 1.0% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg) at 5ml/g
 
Big Bhang is a photo plant. Lots of different feeding routines being used. I've not tried that one. I tend to feed lower levels with every feeding.

That P level on the bloom formula looks low and they probably aren't getting enough P, causing the red stems. You probably need a bloom booster higher in P and K. I also grow soil less, but in Pro Mix, not coco. Coco has some different requirements. Let me have someone with coco experience come take a look and make sure you're on the right track.
 
Phosphorus (P) Mobile Element and Macro Element
Benefit: Phosphorus does a lot of things for the plant. One of the most important parts of Phosphorus is: It aids in root growth and influences the vigour of the plant and is
one of the most important elements in flowering as well helps to germinate seedlings.
Phosphorus is an essential plant nutrient, and since it is needed in large amounts, it is classified as a macronutrient. Phosphorus is a MAJOR important nutrient in the plants reproductive stages. Without this element the plants will have a lot of problems blooming without proper levels of Phosphorus.

When your plants are deficient in phosphorus, this can overall reduce the size of your plants. Not enough causes slow growth and causes the plant to become weak, to little amount of Phosphorus causes slow growths in leaves that may or may not drop off. The edges all around the leaves or half of the leaves can be brownish and work its way inwards a bit causing the part of the leaves to curl up in the air a bit. Fan leaves will show dark greenish/purplish and yellowish tones along with a dullish blue colour to them. Sometimes the stems can be red, along with red petioles that can happen when having a Phosphorus deficiency. This isn’t a sure sure sign of you having one though, but can be a sign. Some strains just show the red petioles and stems from its genes.
So pretty much the overall dark green colour with a purple, red, or blue tint to the fan leaves is a good sign of a Phosphorus deficiency. Having Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can make phosphorous absorption very troublesome for plants.
Many people get a Phosphorus deficiency confused with a fungus problem because the ends of the leaves look like a fungus problem, But the damage occurs at the end of the leaves. side of the leaves and has a glass like feeling to it as if it had a ph problem. Parts affected by a phosphorus deficiency are: Older Leaves, Whole plant, Petioles.

Too much Phosphorus levels affect plant growth by suppressing the uptake of: Iron, potassium and Zinc, potentially causing deficiency symptoms of these nutrients to occur def in plants. A Zinc deficiency is most common under excessive phosphorus conditions,
As well as causing other nutrients to have absorption troubles like zinc and copper. Phosphorus fluctuates when concentrated and combined with calcium

Problems with Phosphorus being locked out by PH troubles
Cold wet soils, acid or very alkaline soils, compacted soil.

Soil

Phosphorus gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Phosphorus is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-7.5 (wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus deficiency.

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Phosphorus gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.0-8.5.
Phosphorus is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 5.8. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus Deficiency.

Solution to fixing a Phosphorus deficiency
Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Phosphorus in them will fix a Phosphorus deficiency. If you have a phosphorus deficiency you should use any N-P-K ratio that is over 5.Again Peters all purpose 20-20-20 is a good mix. Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Other forms of phosphorus supplements are: Bone meal, which is gradual absorption, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where bone/blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Fruit eating bat guano, which is fast absorption, Worm castings, which is gradual absorption, Fish meal, which is medium absorption, Soft Rock Phosphate, which is medium absorption, Jamaican or Indonesian Guano, which is fast absorption. Crabshell, which is slow absorption. Tiger Bloom , which is fast absorption.

Here is a list of things to help fix a Phosphrous Deficiency.

Chemical

Advanced nutrients Bloom (0-5-4)
Vita Bloom (0-7-5)
BC Bloom (1.1-4.4-7)
GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4)
GH Maxi Bloom (5-15-14)
GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7)
Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)
Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (2-8-4)
Awsome Blossums

Organic

Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom (4-3-6)
Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Bloom (.5-1.5-2)
Fox Farm Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
Pure Blend Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5)
Buddswell (0-7-0)
Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
Indonesian Bat Guano (0-13-0)
Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2)
Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
BIO BLOOM (2-6-3.5)
AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
ALASKA MORBLOOM (0-10-10)
METANATURALS ORGANIC BLOOM (1-5-5)

Any of these will cure your phosphorus deficiency. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will appear normal.

Now if you added to much chemical ferts and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

Note: Blood Meal, Dried Blood, Guanos, Kelp Meal, Cotton Seed Meal, Peat Moss,
Sulfur and fish meal are all acidic and can bring your ph down, so if you add these please monitor your ph when using those.

Note: Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Wood Ashes pretty much all ashes, Shellfish Compost and Crab Meal are all alkaline and can make your ph go up, so if you add any of these please monitor your ph.

Picture 1 is a Phosphorus deficiency during vegetative growth.
Picture 2 is what a phosphorus deficiency looks like in flowering.

(Picture 1 is Mine)
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