Open seed policy

[tobe]

Hi friends
I got a idea for a long long time in my mind.

The most people who breed there own strains use genetics from other companies or breeders to start. It would be fair to offer the seeds to the companies where the start genetics are from. But we need a kind of policy for that.

My idea is to offer only the F1 generation for free. All other generation can be sold to them.

The name of the strain is safed but open to use.

The breeder has to become credits for there work if he she want.

We establish a database for the different strains and a contact database with the addresses of the companies.

We make a logo for these policy, the companies can use in there discription of the strain.

What do you all think about that. This is only a basic idea. It would be great if someone can tag the different companies to this thread and some more members to hear there opinions.

@pop22 @StickMan @FullDuplex @Mossy @Son of Hobbes @The Elvis @Magic
@AutoBeanStalk @South Syder @mephisto

Have a nice day
cu tobe

 

[fryge]

I don't think you really owe anything to breeders of strains you work with.

I look at it from a viewpoint of legal crops: you can't reproduce and sell the exact same cultivar, or with only minor differences, like one trait(for example make a photostrain an autoflower, but keep it identical on all other traits).
but as long as you're creating something new, you have breeder's exemption.

in case of legal crops there's a whole legal framework around this, with plant breeder's rights and you can sue if you think a cultivar for sale is too similar to yours. but under plant breeder's rights you still have the breeder's exemption, which says you can use any cultivar freely to breed with, as long as the endproduct you sell is sufficiently unique.

with cannabis this is a bit more difficult, since it's illegal soi we can't let a judge rule if something is sufficiently different. on top of that, most weedstrains are so unstable and not uniform they would never qualify for cultivarstatus under plant breeder's rights. (to qualify, you need to fulfill the DUS-criteria: Distinct, Uniform and Stable. uniform is about the variation within a batch of seeds, stability is about differences between generations, what you would call truebreeding in weedforum-language)

so the best we can do is not be a jerk and not try to copy other's work, but I think putting restrictions on the use of strains to use for breeding is only going to hurt the breeding of new, unique strains.

btw, for more info on how it works with legal crops, the wikipedia on plant breeder's rights:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_breeders'_rights

and the site of UPOV(international union for protection of new varietie of plants)
http://www.upov.int/portal/index.html.en

 

[iWumbo]

I agree with the free f1 seeds , with that being said does anyone wanna part with some f1 black dragons lol

:smoking::smoking:

 

[tobe]

I don't think you really owe anything to breeders of strains you work with.

I look at it from a viewpoint of legal crops: you can't reproduce and sell the exact same cultivar, or with only minor differences, like one trait(for example make a photostrain an autoflower, but keep it identical on all other traits).
but as long as you're creating something new, you have breeder's exemption.

in case of legal crops there's a whole legal framework around this, with plant breeder's rights and you can sue if you think a cultivar for sale is too similar to yours. but under plant breeder's rights you still have the breeder's exemption, which says you can use any cultivar freely to breed with, as long as the endproduct you sell is sufficiently unique.

with cannabis this is a bit more difficult, since it's illegal soi we can't let a judge rule if something is sufficiently different. on top of that, most weedstrains are so unstable and not uniform they would never qualify for cultivarstatus under plant breeder's rights. (to qualify, you need to fulfill the DUS-criteria: Distinct, Uniform and Stable. uniform is about the variation within a batch of seeds, stability is about differences between generations, what you would call truebreeding in weedforum-language)

so the best we can do is not be a jerk and not try to copy other's work, but I think putting restrictions on the use of strains to use for breeding is only going to hurt the breeding of new, unique strains.

btw, for more info on how it works with legal crops, the wikipedia on plant breeder's rights:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_breeders'_rights

and the site of UPOV(international union for protection of new varietie of plants)
http://www.upov.int/portal/index.html.en

Have my friend
Thanks for the Infos and the link. I think it has to be a kind of gentleman agreement. I will do more research to find out what we can do.

I agree with the free f1 seeds , with that being said does anyone wanna part with some f1 black dragons lol

[emoji3]:smoking:[emoji3]:smoking:

Thanks for your input, I hope to get more people think about that topic

Have a nice day you both
cu tobe

 

[Micron Creek]

Hey bro. Honestly I would be honored if the breeders whose gear I chose would enjoy my creations. Those dudes are my fuckin heroes. I don't know if they know how much it all means to people who never had access to good medicine before theirs. I would break out the best concentrates I could and just chill. Shantibaba, Soma, the Joint Doctor, DNA Genetics, DJ Short, Mossy. I'd be in awe.
However, as our friend above pointed out, legality makes it near impossible to return the favor for them. These companies are the foundations of the market. Everybody makes their mark using their solid genetics, but few will give hommage. Shantibaba is from New Zealand, but his genetics are made in Spain through his company because of these unjust "laws."
That's just one of the reasons. I think partnerships of that order have to be a more personal business relationship. You have to meet each other, and break bread and bud.
Good question.

 

[tobe]

Hey bro. Honestly I would be honored if the breeders whose gear I chose would enjoy my creations. Those dudes are my fuckin heroes. I don't know if they know how much it all means to people who never had access to good medicine before theirs. I would break out the best concentrates I could and just chill. Shantibaba, Soma, the Joint Doctor, DNA Genetics, DJ Short, Mossy. I'd be in awe.
However, as our friend above pointed out, legality makes it near impossible to return the favor for them. These companies are the foundations of the market. Everybody makes their mark using their solid genetics, but few will give hommage. Shantibaba is from New Zealand, but his genetics are made in Spain through his company because of these unjust "laws."
That's just one of the reasons. I think partnerships of that order have to be a more personal business relationship. You have to meet each other, and break bread and bud.
Good question.

Hey my friend
You are right, thanks for your input.
I do some more research and I think about to create a website but at first I wait for some input and opinions about that.
I will write down more about that and post something to that topic later.

cu tobe

 

[Free Flow]

Good discussion thread. Makes you think. I feel like I paid for said breeders genetics so they are mine, and if I so happen to breed it with a different breeders gear then off the bat its something new and mine. However I am not greedy and if said breeders wanted 20 or 50 of my f1s to later use as their own if they so choose then I too would be absolutely honored to be recognised.

 

[Gregothegreat]

Wait till Monsanto gets in there with round up ready weed. And sues your ass off when u save seed, with big pot coming it very well could happen. Yiks

 

[Darth Abraham]

This is an interesting topic on intellectual property of genetics. Like as an example, let's take a company that is mostly known as an F1 Breeder. I'm going to use TGA as my example, mainly because they are generally F1 breeders, and I've worked with their stuff in my own breeding. Now they offer regular seeds, generally in f1, or 1 bx generation. With this model they're able to offer more "strains" with less space being used up for stabilizing strains. With that said, because of that Subcool will even admit "strains" like Jillybean are unstable. If I bought a pack of Jillybean, bred an f2 and undersold TGA on it, people might think that's a dick move. But let's say I work it to an f3 or f5 and have really stabilized the strain, to where I'm legitimately offering you a different product that you wouldn't get with that f1 pack from TGA. Like I can guarantee out of my 10 seeds you shouldn't really see the phenotypic variety you see with a 10 pack from TGA. Like I haven't personally done this, I make my own crosses etc. But it is something I've thought about, in regards to intellectual property of strains. I mean ultimately if you offer regular seeds you're allowing the possibility of people using your strain for breeding.

 

[Kim]

Super interesting topic.
I came across the below article the other day

https://terpenesandtesting.com/open...-the-full-potential-of-the-cannabis-industry/

which led me to that one https://blog.strainly.io/2018/09/19/open-source-cannabis-breeding-resources/

This is really crucial. What these guys are trying to do is kinda rad