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So, I figured I would post myself here. I've never joined any forums before for horticulture, because where I am is fairly closed-minded about this "oh so horrible plant".

I started growing some photoperiod clones from a friend of mine, entirely by accident. He had them, didn't want them, I said sure. My mother, sister, 3 cousins, and one uncle, are all MMJ users, and my uncle runs a legal farm in another province.

Background: I'm an avid organic gardener and sustainable living advocate. People are too far into the disposable world mentality for the planet to survive. I farm worms for castings and to reduce my footprint on the planet, I recycle everything I possibly can. Yep. I'm one of "those people". But I won't push it on anyone else. We all do what we do because we have to. I also have a horribly crass sense of humour. Good times. I don't grow to sell. No one knows about it, and that's the way I want it to be. I grow for people who need it as medicine. I have no interest in selling anything.

My first "grow" was HAGGARD. The clones were tiny, had about an inch of roots on them, and had spider mites. I treated these with a lemon oil and neem oil (both organic, pure oils) in warm water with a bit of dish soap, three times, and the mites were gone. I transplanted them from cups to whatever haphazard pots I had, dirt from the garden, worm castings, and stuck them under a desk lamp. The results were as you would guess, atrocious. No reflectors, no nothing. But I kept them going for a long time, practiced some training techniques (LST and topping), and ended up with a respectable 1.5oz between 3 plants. My mother reaped the rewards, and I made sure to use every scrap of plant matter to make tinctures, edibles, salves, the works. The root balls were horrible. Less than the size of my fist. While this grow was finishing, I happened upon some MAJOR deals online (an inline fan/CanFilter carbon dealie for $20, which I cleaned to make sure there was no mold inside it, LED panel for $50, a tent for $50). Basically took my situation from one where it was about as backwards as you could get, to something fairly respectable, in about 2 weeks.

I also did my research on "super soils" and made my own mix, with ProMixBX as the base, worm castings, diatomaceous earth, perlite, bone/blood meal, eggshells (baked to kill bacteria, pulverized to powder), lime, coco coir (forgot to say this one originally), and aged chicken manure. I use this in the bottom half of my 3 gallon cloth pots, topped with ProMix. As it settled, and the plants are grown, so I don't shock them to death, adding more "super soil" as a top dressing. I water with tap water, set out to dechlorinate for a day. I haven't used nutrients other than worm tea in veg, and adding molasses for bloom. I'm trying not to micromanage them. Yes, I know I could get MASSIVE HUGE buds and flowers from a strict regimen of nutrients, but it's unnecessary for me at this time, and I haven't found any TRULY organic nutrients yet.

My uncle sent a package to me, containing 7 MYSTERY seeds from his farm. I know they are one of 3 strains they grew this year. So Dec 1 all 7 popped their cute taproots, and Dec 2 went into cups with just PMBX. They took off, like WEEDS! At 10 days, they had their first real leaves, and I accidentally dropped one cup, the cup cracked, and the bottom half was FULL of roots. So I took the day to transplant them from the cups to their final homes, 3 gallon cloth pots. Half "super soil" half PMBX. I didn't know they were autos, so I didn't know the common practice is to immediately plant them in their final homes, so I might have done something bad, but I didn't know. Regardless, they slumped over a bit, but within 2 days they were right back on track. at 24 days, preflowers appeared on 2, and little clusters of balls on 5... No change in lighting (20/4), so my assumption is that they were autos. I left the lights, and they kept on doing their thing, so my assumption was confirmed. I made the conscious decision to let the males mature and drop some pollen. I like the way the plants look and smell (spicy and herby, like sage, with a strong skunk smell, fatter leaves, and one of the possibilities is Iranian Diesel, which sounds really likely at this point, and was one of their crops this year), so propagating the species (especially for free) would be fine by me. So I let them do their thing, and then culled the males, harvested all the plant matter for juicing and testing some theories (some people say male plants are useless, but I'm going to make infused oils with them and see just how "useless" they are, for myself, because the internet is full of experts that know nothing about everything). Their root balls at 40 days was triple the size of my first grow after their whole life. Those poor first plants. :( The ladies were left in the tent under 300w LEDs. They SHOT upwards, one main centre, and some smaller side branching, but all of the nodes are really tightly packed, not like a huge stretch at all, just a lot of growth. The tops were 10 inches from the lights, and the tops started yellowing and clawing downwards. Fan leaves that have 5 nice fat blades on them, now near the top are only growing 3... Nitrogen deficiency? Nope. The rest is dark green and lively. Light stress? Yep. Go ahead and tell me that LED lights aren't strong enough. This panel, pulling about 160w actual electricity, is so strong that it's doing TOO MUCH to the plants.

To level the canopy, I decided to do some LST on them, because I have no timeline, and if they get stunted a few days or a week or even 2, I don't mind. So I bent the tops WAAAAY down, and all the side branches out. Now each plant is 24 inches from dirt top to top of the canopy. Raised the panel up to about 24 inches from the tops of the canopy, and within 24 hours, the top growth that wasn't too far gone is back to being dark green and lively, and are back to putting out more blades per leaf. They're not stretching, just producing SAVAGE amounts of white hairs everywhere. Some buds are forming, with fire-coloured amber hairs shooting out of them. Looks great, smells AMAZING. I kinda want to live in the tent. But the purple light colours would render me blind really quickly. :p I've only watered with dechlorinated-tap-water-made-into-worm-tea for the entire time, adding molasses (natural, non sulphured) the last 3 feedings. The plants are now 68 days old, showed gender and preflowers at 23 days, so they're technically 48 days in flower, if the logic serves correctly. So, assuming that the "standard" is 8-11 weeks in flower, in the last half of week 6 now. So, 2-5 more weeks!

So, here I am!
 
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So, I figured I would post myself here. I've never joined any forums before for horticulture, because where I am is fairly closed-minded about this "oh so horrible plant".

I started growing some photoperiod clones from a friend of mine, entirely by accident. He had them, didn't want them, I said sure. My mother, sister, 3 cousins, and one uncle, are all MMJ users, and my uncle runs a legal farm in another province.

Background: I'm an avid organic gardener and sustainable living advocate. People are too far into the disposable world mentality for the planet to survive. I farm worms for castings and to reduce my footprint on the planet, I recycle everything I possibly can. Yep. I'm one of "those people". But I won't push it on anyone else. We all do what we do because we have to. I also have a horribly crass sense of humour. Good times. I don't grow to sell. No one knows about it, and that's the way I want it to be. I grow for people who need it as medicine. I have no interest in selling anything.

My first "grow" was HAGGARD. The clones were tiny, had about an inch of roots on them, and had spider mites. I treated these with a lemon oil and neem oil (both organic, pure oils) in warm water with a bit of dish soap, three times, and the mites were gone. I transplanted them from cups to whatever haphazard pots I had, dirt from the garden, worm castings, and stuck them under a desk lamp. The results were as you would guess, atrocious. No reflectors, no nothing. But I kept them going for a long time, practiced some training techniques (LST and topping), and ended up with a respectable 1.5oz between 3 plants. My mother reaped the rewards, and I made sure to use every scrap of plant matter to make tinctures, edibles, salves, the works. The root balls were horrible. Less than the size of my fist. While this grow was finishing, I happened upon some MAJOR deals online (an inline fan/CanFilter carbon dealie for $20, which I cleaned to make sure there was no mold inside it, LED panel for $50, a tent for $50). Basically took my situation from one where it was about as backwards as you could get, to something fairly respectable, in about 2 weeks.

I also did my research on "super soils" and made my own mix, with ProMixBX as the base, worm castings, diatomaceous earth, perlite, bone/blood meal, eggshells (baked to kill bacteria, pulverized to powder), lime, and aged chicken manure. I use this in the bottom half of my 3 gallon cloth pots, topped with ProMix. As it settled, and the plants are grown, so I don't shock them to death, adding more "super soil" as a top dressing. I water with tap water, set out to dechlorinate for a day. I haven't used nutrients other than worm tea in veg, and adding molasses for bloom. I'm trying not to micromanage them. Yes, I know I could get MASSIVE HUGE buds and flowers from a strict regimen of nutrients, but it's unnecessary for me at this time, and I haven't found any TRULY organic nutrients yet.

My uncle sent a package to me, containing 7 MYSTERY seeds from his farm. I know they are one of 3 strains they grew this year. So Dec 1 all 7 popped their cute taproots, and Dec 2 went into cups with just PMBX. They took off, like WEEDS! At 10 days, they had their first real leaves, and I accidentally dropped one cup, the cup cracked, and the bottom half was FULL of roots. So I took the day to transplant them from the cups to their final homes, 3 gallon cloth pots. Half "super soil" half PMBX. I didn't know they were autos, so I didn't know the common practice is to immediately plant them in their final homes, so I might have done something bad, but I didn't know. Regardless, they slumped over a bit, but within 2 days they were right back on track. at 24 days, preflowers appeared on 2, and little clusters of balls on 5... No change in lighting (20/4), so my assumption is that they were autos. I left the lights, and they kept on doing their thing, so my assumption was confirmed. I made the conscious decision to let the males mature and drop some pollen. I like the way the plants look and smell (spicy and herby, like sage, with a strong skunk smell, fatter leaves, and one of the possibilities is Iranian Diesel, which sounds really likely at this point, and was one of their crops this year), so propagating the species (especially for free) would be fine by me. So I let them do their thing, and then culled the males, harvested all the plant matter for juicing and testing some theories (some people say male plants are useless, but I'm going to make infused oils with them and see just how "useless" they are, for myself, because the internet is full of experts that know nothing about everything). Their root balls at 40 days was triple the size of my first grow after their whole life. Those poor first plants. :( The ladies were left in the tent under 300w LEDs. They SHOT upwards, one main centre, and some smaller side branching, but all of the nodes are really tightly packed, not like a huge stretch at all, just a lot of growth. The tops were 10 inches from the lights, and the tops started yellowing and clawing downwards. Fan leaves that have 5 nice fat blades on them, now near the top are only growing 3... Nitrogen deficiency? Nope. The rest is dark green and lively. Light stress? Yep. Go ahead and tell me that LED lights aren't strong enough. This panel, pulling about 160w actual electricity, is so strong that it's doing TOO MUCH to the plants.

To level the canopy, I decided to do some LST on them, because I have no timeline, and if they get stunted a few days or a week or even 2, I don't mind. So I bent the tops WAAAAY down, and all the side branches out. Now each plant is 24 inches from dirt top to top of the canopy. Raised the panel up to about 24 inches from the tops of the canopy, and within 24 hours, the top growth that wasn't too far gone is back to being dark green and lively, and are back to putting out more blades per leaf. They're not stretching, just producing SAVAGE amounts of white hairs everywhere. Some buds are forming, with fire-coloured amber hairs shooting out of them. Looks great, smells AMAZING. I kinda want to live in the tent. But the purple light colours would render me blind really quickly. :p I've only watered with dechlorinated-tap-water-made-into-worm-tea for the entire time, adding molasses (natural, non sulphured) the last 3 feedings. The plants are now 68 days old, showed gender and preflowers at 23 days, so they're technically 48 days in flower, if the logic serves correctly. So, assuming that the "standard" is 8-11 weeks in flower, in the last half of week 6 now. So, 2-5 more weeks!

So, here I am!
Pictures please! And welcome to AFN! I'm glad you decided to share your canna journey with us. You couldn't have picked a better place. Sorry about your first grow. I'm sure it was a learning experience none the less. You seem to have done your research. It helps to have a naturally green thumb.
 
Thanks guys (if any of you are women or nonbinary folks, I use "guys" as a non gender specific statement, I mean no offence)! I'm usually fairly secluded about these things, I keep to myself. I'm too used to getting screwed over by people. So, here's some pictures. The first one is before any LST, before lifting the lights higher. You can see how they are the traditional "christmas tree" shape, and the top leaves are thin and droopy and yellow. before.jpg But if you look at the HUGE fat leaves in about the middle, I was able to judge that for this panel, about 20-24 inches from the top is optimal. The side branches were tucked in at this point, and getting almost no light. They were going yellow too.

So I corrected that. Here's a shot of after (taken yesterday), in indoor lighting (LED off) to see the difference. I've tied down, with cotton yarn, all of the middle branches that were not getting any light, and you can see the new growth on the "tops" are going back to a nice bright green, instead of yellow, and it managed to save a good number of previously damaged leaves. Some will die, and I'm ok with that. I may trim the larger leaves to allow more light penetration, I may not. I know everyone has different points on trimming autos, and I'd love to know your opinions. after natural.jpg

And the obligatory, because I love it, LED lights on shot. :P after LED.jpg

I have no EXPECTATIONS of this grow, as it's only my second, and it was all free. If it works, it works. I grow only to provide help for friends and family, with a plant that really got a shitty deal thanks to idiots back in 1937.
 
Pictures please! And welcome to AFN! I'm glad you decided to share your canna journey with us. You couldn't have picked a better place. Sorry about your first grow. I'm sure it was a learning experience none the less. You seem to have done your research. It helps to have a naturally green thumb.

Yeah. The first grow was a DISASTER. The plants were MAYBE 20 inches tall at the end, the colas were smaller than my thumb. But, it's all a learning curve, right? I was NOT prepared, NOT properly set up, and NOT intelligent enough to pretend that I was good at it. But I dive into everything I like, head first. This was no different. It was fun, and I'm actually GLAD that it had so many problems (shitty roots, bugs right from the start, nutrient deficiencies because I was using garden dirt and a desk lamp, temperature and humidity variations of easily 20 degrees C, and 30 points of RH variables... I basically had everything wrong, happen to that first grow. This one, I went into it more knowledgeable, and better prepared.
 
I should add. The LED panel I have only has one setting, "full spectrum". From what I've read, it's the better option for LED-only growing for autos.
Yes and if you decide on another led, I'd recommend vipar spectra or mars hydro they are affordable and they work. There are better ones out there of course, but these have worked great for me. You did get all the issues the first round lol now you're prepared! Happy growing.
 
Well currently I have apparently what I need. And hopefully by the time I have a need for more, prices will drop and technology will be improved even more. :)
 
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