Making Automatics from Ruderalis Parents

[Hybrid_Vigor]

I'm wanna practice making feminized seed and breed some autos in the future from true genetics. I find it strange, with so many seed companies popping up and making automatic seed, no one sells pure Ruderalis genetics. I know a guy from Russia; he has a keyboard in his native language. He's actually from a country by the black sea, can't remember the name. I'm curious if someone there could send some seed from their feral strains. Isn't Ruderalis native to this area? It's the Ukraine, I just remembered. Does anyone know if it grows there?

 

[le672]

Where you are living? If you are in Europe, then you can get plenty of ruderalis genes from hempseed. For example, the finola strain has been mass selected directly from autoflowering Russian ruderalis. There is plenty of diversity left in the gene pool, they only selected for vigor and early flowering. A typical bag of seeds has about 20,000 seeds for 3 euros.

All hempseed grown north of Italy is at least semi-autoflowering, and they will flower before July. About 2/3 of the commercial strains are monoecious, though. You can find plenty of dioecious individuals among them, and they do not revert to being hermaphrodites.

I understand wanting to go directly to the source, but if you are relying on someone that you don't know very well to go find a field at exactly the right time to collect seeds and then send them to you, then you will not ever get the seeds you want. Maybe if you offer a huge amount of money, but I doubt it.

 

[LR2]

The hemp seeds in the Netherlands flower from the start of september. Which isn't all that good for our climate. Even the fiber hemp and the hemp meant for the production of seeds have to cope with a lot of budrot even when just in flowering. Besides that is the 0.04% of THC a dominant gene-trait (if i said that right) which would take about four generations to breed out. They're cheap, that's true. But if you like to smoke/vape/eat and get high, this isn't what you're looking for.

You should check out frobanken (danish website) and Chzech based breeders who probably can probably hook you up with some true ruderalis strains. Google translate can fix a lot, but most of these guys do speak English as well.

 

[GoidianGanja]

why reinvent the wheel, the beauty of Auto seeds today is that dozens of generations have diluted but kept the key factors from Ruderalis use good feral sativas or indicas to breed with a modern Auto for the most wicked results possible

 

[le672]

I totally agree with the reinvention of the wheel comment. I only suggested hempseeds to help someone out with a reasonable alternative to finding wild plants for a hobby project. As for the hempseed from the Netherlands flowering from September, that must be imported seed, not those grown for human food in Northern Europe. There are very few strains approved to be grown for seed here, and they all flower quickly, and rarely get bud rot. Just check the package for the country of origin. I have grown them from Austria, Germany, Czech Republic, and Finland. They all started flowering by June 21, and finished before September. The farmers in these countries can't grow plants that don't flower and set seed as quickly as possible, or there would be no seed to sell.

 

[arboles]

I found this on Dutch Passion's website.

It is ironic that Cannabis Ruderalis was ignored for so long. Dutch Passion now invest heavily in research and development of Cannabis Ruderalis as it has allowed an exciting new branch of cannabis genetics to open up. AutoFem strains are easy to grow, easy to keep hidden in your garden and have excellent potency. People that only ever grew indoor cannabis strains now plant a pack of AutoFem seeds every year. Growing them couldn't be any easier!

These guys are actively engaged in using Ruderalis to breed new strains; they're not using current strains to stay on the cutting edge. This is from Wikipedia - Some photoperiod/short-day cannabis strains are heterogeneous - containing the recessive day-neutral or autoflowering genetics along with the dominant short-day genetics. However a proper list of such strains is not yet available so most breeders treat all short-day plants as homozygous dominant.

Dutch Passion could have a stable of heterogeneous genetics, and they could be using them to breed new auto strains with. Maybe one or more of their photo-period strains could hold the key?

 

[A4]

I found this on Dutch Passion's website.

It is ironic that Cannabis Ruderalis was ignored for so long. Dutch Passion now invest heavily in research and development of Cannabis Ruderalis as it has allowed an exciting new branch of cannabis genetics to open up. AutoFem strains are easy to grow, easy to keep hidden in your garden and have excellent potency. People that only ever grew indoor cannabis strains now plant a pack of AutoFem seeds every year. Growing them couldn't be any easier!

These guys are actively engaged in using Ruderalis to breed new strains; they're not using current strains to stay on the cutting edge. This is from Wikipedia - Some photoperiod/short-day cannabis strains are heterogeneous - containing the recessive day-neutral or autoflowering genetics along with the dominant short-day genetics. However a proper list of such strains is not yet available so most breeders treat all short-day plants as homozygous dominant.

Dutch Passion could have a stable of heterogeneous genetics, and they could be using them to breed new auto strains with. Maybe one or more of their photo-period strains could hold the key?

There is a rep from Dutch Passion here, goes by Dutch Passion Tony. You may be able to touch base with him and ask him. I don't know how involved he is with day to day breeding but he may be able to put you in touch with someone to answer a few questions.

 

[arboles]

Thanks, I'm ignorant in the field of autoflowers. I've been researching a lot, because it's such an interesting thing to see how far men have come. Necessity truly is the mother of invention.

 

[Epic Genetics]

take a trip around southern sask (canaduh) , you will find what you are looking for all over the place (where its not being chopped down , ie: roadsides ect)

right now is the time you wanna be looking

peace Cool:

 

[arboles]

take a trip around southern sask (canaduh) , you will find what you are looking for all over the place (where its not being chopped down , ie: roadsides ect)

right now is the time you wanna be looking

peace Cool:

Unfortunately, because of a marijuana bust, I'm not welcome in Canada. I believe the ruderalis breeding stock that's been worked with for generations by the best seed banks, this would be the best route, but good luck getting hands on it; because of it's value, I'm sure it's locked in a vault to keep employees from getting away with it and other breeding stock. It's intellectual property, and also tangible property, so it wouldn't be fair to use unless given permission. Maybe the AFN member breeding with Lowrider#1 has the right idea? I didn't know it was the closest thing to starting from scratch, or I could've stocked some while they were plentiful.