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I have a photo bag seed that seems to have an issue, anyone have a clue to this one?
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It could be nitrogen deffiency,need more info like what nutes are you using,feeding schedual,ph going in and runnoff.
The Medicine Man
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Could be an iron deficiency, too. Is it only happening at new leaf sites? Or on bigger fan leaves, too?
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Yes, need more information. Looks like you are using LEDs. Could be light bleaching since it looks like it's only the top leaves, but can't say for sure without a picture of the whole plant. How close is your light to the plant tops?
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Thanks Vet, MM and Muddy for responses and help.
Ok Vet I was using some Fox Farms stuff I had sitting around, but going to be switching to cutting edge solutions 3 part I have, and calmag supp. Have also been throwing in blackstap every 2nd or feeding. PH is mid 6s.
MM its only happening at new sites, the older leaves all look normal.
Muddy its a older UFO (ghetto light from hell) new light is on order. Its always at least 12" off the top of the tallest point. I thought it might be bleaching and moved the light higher for a few days but the problem has continued.
I am fighting a fungus gnat problem (gnatrol is on order), but tried using a spray to help cut them down .. so that might have caused a iron lockout.
Ok Vet I was using some Fox Farms stuff I had sitting around, but going to be switching to cutting edge solutions 3 part I have, and calmag supp. Have also been throwing in blackstap every 2nd or feeding. PH is mid 6s.
MM its only happening at new sites, the older leaves all look normal.
Muddy its a older UFO (ghetto light from hell) new light is on order. Its always at least 12" off the top of the tallest point. I thought it might be bleaching and moved the light higher for a few days but the problem has continued.
I am fighting a fungus gnat problem (gnatrol is on order), but tried using a spray to help cut them down .. so that might have caused a iron lockout.
The Medicine Man
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Are they starting to feel really thin & papery? Or starting to feel super brittle? They don't look like they'd be feeling brittle right yet. And if it's only at the new sites, it sounds like iron to me. If you're in soil a nice supplement is
http://naturalindustries.com/commercial/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=9
If you're in hydro, you can brew this as a tea, too.
http://naturalindustries.com/commercial/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=9
If you're in hydro, you can brew this as a tea, too.
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No, that UFO isn't strong enough to bleach them. I think it's also an iron issue.
Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element
Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...
Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.
To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.
Problems with Iron being locked out by PH troubles
Over watering, pests nematodes, not enough drainage, like not enough perlite. High ph, Soils with low iron, High Phosphorus, Excess Zinc, manganese or copper.
Soil
Iron gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 4.0-6.5 (Wouldn’t recommend having a soil ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an Iron Deficiency.
Hydro and Soil less Mediums
Iron gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 6.0 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an iron deficiency.
Solution to fixing a Iron deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Iron deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water can work well. Other supplements that have Iron in them are: Iron chelates, Ferric oxide, Ferrous oxide, Ferrous sulfate, all of these are fast absorption. Greensand, Cottonseed Meal is slow absorption, Garden Manure, which is medium absorption. Manure is most common organic iron source to use.
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.
Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element
Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...
Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.
To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.
Problems with Iron being locked out by PH troubles
Over watering, pests nematodes, not enough drainage, like not enough perlite. High ph, Soils with low iron, High Phosphorus, Excess Zinc, manganese or copper.
Soil
Iron gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 4.0-6.5 (Wouldn’t recommend having a soil ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an Iron Deficiency.
Hydro and Soil less Mediums
Iron gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 6.0 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an iron deficiency.
Solution to fixing a Iron deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Iron deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water can work well. Other supplements that have Iron in them are: Iron chelates, Ferric oxide, Ferrous oxide, Ferrous sulfate, all of these are fast absorption. Greensand, Cottonseed Meal is slow absorption, Garden Manure, which is medium absorption. Manure is most common organic iron source to use.
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.
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Thanks MM and Muddy! Will start flushing asap. You guys rock.
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Good stuff TMM! 
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