Insomnia, sleep disorders: what is your preferred delivery method?

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And I don't mean UPS vs FEDEX vs USPS.

Instead of asking for your favorite night-time strain, which is way to variable and difficult to replicate, I thought it might be interesting and informative to debate the different ways to get the cannabinoids in to your body so you have a long, restful sleep. From my own experiences, there is a big difference between vaping, combusting, eating etc.

What I do is infuse coconut oil and eat it about 2 hours before bedtime. Many variables involved here and I have to be careful with high THC because a psychoactive trip keeps me up instead of sedated. But edibles are long lasting which is important for sleep for me.

I usually vape some indica flower just before bed to kick things off.

This is very much an trial and error experimental learning process. And I often wonder if I should be considering other ways to use weed to help with sleep. For example, is RSO oil on the gums better than eating it? Is a tincture effective?
 
If you search a bit deeper into this section (which we are revamping, so bear with us), you will find all of our (Root, I, Mossy, and many others). recipes.

My favorite, is and could be good for you, is like you say with the coconut oil, but use everything but the bud and roots. (roots have other applications). I use stems, fan leaves and shoots, Something about it, knocks me out. Also smoking certain indicas, and high cbd strains worksfor me.

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Hi @lunarman
I usually don't have trouble sleeping, but medables usually give me a good body high, relaxing to the point of sleepy.
and I have to be careful with high THC because a psychoactive trip keeps me up instead of sedated
That happened to me when I first started taking cannabis. As your tolerance gets higher that may go away.
But everyone is different.
You can always use non decarbed cannabis in medables and tinctures without the high.

Also like @Eekman said, we use the stems, leaves and trim in the coconut oil. Taking a couple tablespoons at night helps him with sleeping.

is RSO oil on the gums better than eating it? Is a tincture effective?

It is best to take RSO and tinctures sublingual, not swallowed right away.
I find, when we take our version of RSO oil regularly, our bodies fall into a rhythm of wake /sleep and our moods are greatly improved!
 
Liking the suggestions. Never would have thought of skipping the decarb. I do mine in the oven, 30 mins at 250 in foil. But doesn't the herb decarb in the oil anyway? I do my oil in a crockpot on low overnight. Temperatures in the mid 200's for the most part.

I have yet to do my first grow so I don't have any plant materials to experiment with. I only have access to flower/bud right now. I'll be starting my first grow in about a month. Going to do a run of 8 autos indoors with DP beans. Doing a variety of strains including high CBD.

Do you guys have any religion on how long to let things amber up or how long to cure for a more sedative affect?

Going to do some surfing/reading on this board to see what you all have been up to. :)
 
But doesn't the herb decarb in the oil anyway?

Unless you use fresh material, there is already some decarb happening.
I don't know all the science, but in my experience cooking undecarbed cannabis in coconut oil produces a sedative affect, rarely a psychoactive one.

I don't have any plant materials to experiment with. I only have access to flower/bud right now.

You will be able to do so much more when you have your own fresh material!

Do you guys have any religion on how long to let things amber up or how long to cure for a more sedative affect?

The more amber gives a more sedative affect.
You'll want to get a jewelers loop or small microscope...at least 60x to see when you are ready to harvest.

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https://skunkpharmresearch.com/extracting-with-oils-and-fats/
Extracting With Oils
Posted by Skunk Pharm Research,LLC.



Oil and fat extraction is a methodSkunk PharmResearch will be further developing, so watch this thread.

Cannabinoids and the other terpenes in cannabis, are readily dissolvable in fats and oils, so fats and oils may be used for both extraction and as a menstruum.

When I say fats and oils, I am referring to the vegetable and nut oils, as well as clarified butter. Oils tasty enough that may be ingested with a dropper, mixed with drinks, or used in medibles.

Water solubility varies, but one of the advantages of using oil for extractions, is that they are for the most part non soluble in water, so they don’t extract excessive water soluble constitutes, like chlorophyll.

There are practical limits to the potency that can be achieved extracting with oil, because as the oil becomes saturated with cannabis terpenes, they become less concentrated and their solvent action slows down to a crawl, before stopping altogether.

Potency can be ratcheted up somewhat through using the same oil to do multiple extractions of fresh material, but even that has limitations.

A key factor in achieving maximum removal rates and efficiency, is keeping the boundary layer between the un-dissolved resins and the unsaturated oils used for extraction regularly removed. The method that we used in this experiment, was simple, but through periodic stirring.

Sublingual oil tinctures:

Aside for their useful role in extraction, oils and fats may be mixed at any ratios with cannabis terpenes, if you are just mixing them together as oils. Some of them are damn tasty even taken from a dropper, though as the concentration increases, the flavor becomes less fetching and it leaves more of a lingering aftertaste.

Choose an Oil:

We haven’t tried them all, but we have tried Almond, Avocado, Butter, Canola, Coconut oil, Grape Seed oil, Hemp seed oil, Olive, Pecan, Sesame, and Walnut oils. They all work well, so they are a good place to start, if you are new to extraction.

Here is a good link for determining the smoke points of the various oils:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_point



Preparing the material:

We first start by drying the trim. For the most floral flavor and the highest amount of lighter terpenes, material that is hung until it reaches the small stem snap stage is best for our purposes.

In our experience, for best flavor and taste, freshest material works best. Older cured material loses the nuances of the floral undertones and just tastes like hash.

That means that the degree of drying and curing is also critical, if your goal is to maintain maximum terpene content. Not that hash has a bad flavor, but it should be a conscious choice.

Choosing material:

Oil from buds is tastier than oil from even sugar trim, because most of the terpenes are produced by the buds, and that is where they are the most plentiful. Tasty is usually not a word used to describe oil from fan leaves or stems, though effective may be.

The material that we used in this experiment, was donated sweet trim from Chocolate and was well dried and cured.

Oils used in this experiment:

We used Ghee (clarified butter), Coconut oil, Grape Seed oil, and Olive oil for the run, because they are commonly available and inexpensive.

Making Ghee:

To make the Ghee, we melted unsalted butter and cooked it at low temperature, until the butter fats separated from the Ghee. We then skimmed off the floating butter fats, and sucked off the Ghee, using a turkey baster, leaving the heavier butter fats in the bottom of the pot.

Most recipes for extraction with butter call for boiling the material in water and butter, but we studiously avoid adding water and our Ghee extraction has only the lightest tinge of green and no chlorophyll flavor.

Here are the three extractions taken out of the refrigerator, where they were stored between cooking and actual pressing. Note that the butter, olive oil, and the coconut extractions have a slightest green tinge, yet none actually had a chlorophyll flavor.



In this experiment, we didn’t attempt to reach maximum saturation, but to determine what was reasonable to expect from a single batch. To reach maximum saturation, we would have simply processed more than one batch of fresh material through the oil.

What we did, was fill four jars 3/4 full of the trim and then added enough oil to cover it, stirred it thoroughly, and then added another inch of oil.



We then lightly capped the jars and set them in pot of hot water and simmered it on low for six hours, uncapping and stirring thoroughly a couple of times an hour.

At the end of six hours, we removed the jars from the hot water and set them aside to cool. The next day, we cooked them two more hours, stirring regularly, and the third day we cooked them another six hours, for 14 hours total, with three heat cycles.

Lightly capping means snug enough to allow some pressure to build, but loose enough to vent off anything excessive. Since we used cured material and didn’t add water, there were little in the way of volatiles to boil off and produce pressure.

I left the lid off the boiling pot, so as to not force steam into the jar head space.



For pressing, we warmed the oils and ghee up by placing them in boiling water, this time with the lids on tight and the lid on the pot.



Next we cut up some rags from some surplus drape material, with approximately a 160/200 thread count, and draped it over a restaurant sized potato ricer that we scored at Hongs Restaurant Supply in Portland. By pressing it down into the potato ricer, it formed a pocket that holds approximately a quart of plant material.

Folding the cloth over and pressing it, produced a pristine clear oil, which was tasty enough to dropper.

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The most flavorful, was the ghee, and possibly the fastest to uptake and produce an effect. Alas, after just testing just enough of each of them to determine their flavors, I needed a nap, so the next phase of this project, is to titrate for potency and effect, as well as flavor, using volunteer test panels.

We also will experiment with different ways to use the oils in medibles, so stay tuned!
 
Thanks for the link to that article on the oils. I have ended up on that sight when directed by there by google searches I was running on ISO and BHO extractions, but did not see that article.

I have to make some more coco oil soon. I generally make 3/4 cup oil with 8 grams of flower. I'll do it without a decarb and an indica flower.
 
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