F1 Male and Female selection: I only have one of each

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Hey everyone, I just wanted to open this thread to discuss breeding with only one male and one female F1. Anything you want to bring to the table is welcome.

Now say I only have 2 F1 seeds of some really fine genetics. I know this to be true because the male and female used were of high quality. Let's say I get one male and one female. The female is everything I expected it to be. The male on the other hand has characteristics not to my liking. Poor Structure, Odd smell, etc...You could also look at this vice versa
Now most of us would simply behead the male or female and be done with it. I on the other feel their is still great value within that male and female's gene's that aren't being expressed. Variations that could very well pass on thru the first cross. Take in effect that every seed produced will express something new. Remember this an early stage cross F1. If it was F5 or above. It would probably be a different story. You really don't have much variation once you reached that plateau.
We now have our cross done and a ton of seeds to go thru. We go ahead and run these seeds. We find that male and female that best represents the desired traits we wanted and continue working the strain up to F5. Once one has selected the best of the best and worked it to F5 and up. You should in theory have the genes you wanted to be expressed more present.

I guess that's about it. I just wanted to share my feelings about F1's and only having a few seeds to work with at the start. Hope this helps someone out.

If you have anything to add feel free.
 
I will kinda be doing the same thing with my sweet seeds grow. I'll grow 3 seeds of 1 strain and self the strain with the most desirable traits. Then grow out a large number of plants and make selections from there. This is TECHNICALLY pollen chucking though so keep that in mind. You will not be starting with a large enough selection to know that you are getting the BEST of the traits you are choosing.
Also if you are starting by crossing 2 random F1s you will get many many different phenos from your first batch of seeds. Many may have undesirable dormant traits..

It's not stopping me though so don't let it stop you bro! Just choose wisely, stress test, keep parent plants for backcrossing, and don't give up because it can be slow and frustrating at times.
 
I say breed them together. You never know what your going to get.select the best male from your new batch and cross it back with the mother.
 
I say chuck the shitty male and out cross to a worthy man. Its not the end of times and those are the last ones available. Its like breeding dogs. If you have a dog that has bone deformity , underbite, skin allergies whatever you don't make more of that weak genetics. Sure there will be pups that don't have those traits But their children can. So why make yourself a headache ? Life is short and you only have so many crops in you.
 
I'd try to find another fine genetic from similar traits and do the selection for a male with 'desirable character'.
I never bred a plant, but I think it's probably all about the patience and the chances of getting good genetics.

Good luck with your project.
 
I was just theorizing a situation in where you wanted to preserve a hybrid/polyhybrid strain you know has a good backbone. one male, one female type of situation. The genetics are still F1's, so in theory you should get different offspring when F2's are made and sprouted. Selection time begins at that stage. Select the most desirable traits and continue down the line of gens. Scrap it if it doesn't work out
 
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If its a photoperiod why not just cut clones and self it using cs? Eliminate some of the unknown
 
Use cs to get pollen from the best female, and then put that pollen on itself and get some fem seeds... Then grow out those seeds and cross one with another male from a diff strain or another seed batch when you get some (if you only have one male ans you dont like it)to get some non feminized seeds...
 
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