Okay fellow auto-Growers out there I'm trying to develop a system as part of a perpetual harvest that will also yield me perpetual seed for cost free planting excluding maintenance costs IE: (lighting, water, soil, and nutrients), but I'd like some other opinions on it before I retool my whole system.
and before I go on please do not post anything concerning rules of growing you think I'm breaking I know some of these concepts are high risk but I feel very familiar with two of the three and apart from something I'm overlooking there is nothing impossible about what I'm going to suggest.
The idea goes like this:
1) start with a single auto-flower seed and raise it to its peak vegetative stage(pistols will have already started developing at higher nodes, but vertical growth has just begun to stop)
2) take one of the lowest branches preferably from one of the first two nodes(these branches never seem to get enough light to produce decent buds anyway)
3) transplant the new cutting into a new vessel using whatever preferred cloning strategy you use ( I do feel putting the clone about a little further helps allows the roots to grow from the sides as well)
4) allow new clone to grow and transition into flower normally(Just wait ill explain)
5) take new stunted clone and apply male pollen(obtained from a male plant or even better a Hermie "banana" it almost ensures feminized seeds)
6) allow stunted clone to grow and develop seeds then reap all the seedy benefits (as well as dank buds from your still growing mother)
Now I know it sounds like a lot of work for seed, but here me out I live pretty far from any dispensaries so for me getting quality genetics and seed is a hassle and I often have to stop my perpetual grow to make my own seed from a full auto, but with this idea i could make a small 2x2 box maybe smaller and just place it in right next to my larger one and i could still use all the same ducting and tubing id just need an extra light and for such a small plant that would be relatively no cost at all.
As far as concerns I have I could only come up with three and I included my thoughts on why it wouldn't be too much of a problem:
1)Auto flower plants can't be cloned!
A: not true auto flowering cannabis has all the same ability as any other sativa or indica its only difference is its non photo-sensitivity do the the genes found in ruderalis, making cloning autos for decent bud production nonviable but this says nothing about its ability to grow and foster seeds which often don't require large buds to have decent genetics IMO.
2)What about the size how could you get enough seeds?
A: With this concept you'd only need 4 or 5 viable seed from the entire cloned plant I've had single buds with over double that in viable seeds
3)How could you make this perpetual?
since the clone and mother both have the same set flowering time the seed and buds will be done at near the same rate meaning i get seed with every harvest, cutting down one plant each week and germinating the seeds from its clone on the same day each cycle would keep plant counts to just one above my normal grow and the left over seeds can be saved for poorer harvest
Too me this idea seems bulletproof and I hope some of you agree I'd love to hear some feedback and maybe even some proof of concept grows starting to pop up, this seems like it could be a great tool for growers or breeders who would like to test genetics on a small scale without risking any of there bud production.
and before I go on please do not post anything concerning rules of growing you think I'm breaking I know some of these concepts are high risk but I feel very familiar with two of the three and apart from something I'm overlooking there is nothing impossible about what I'm going to suggest.
The idea goes like this:
1) start with a single auto-flower seed and raise it to its peak vegetative stage(pistols will have already started developing at higher nodes, but vertical growth has just begun to stop)
2) take one of the lowest branches preferably from one of the first two nodes(these branches never seem to get enough light to produce decent buds anyway)
3) transplant the new cutting into a new vessel using whatever preferred cloning strategy you use ( I do feel putting the clone about a little further helps allows the roots to grow from the sides as well)
4) allow new clone to grow and transition into flower normally(Just wait ill explain)
5) take new stunted clone and apply male pollen(obtained from a male plant or even better a Hermie "banana" it almost ensures feminized seeds)
6) allow stunted clone to grow and develop seeds then reap all the seedy benefits (as well as dank buds from your still growing mother)
Now I know it sounds like a lot of work for seed, but here me out I live pretty far from any dispensaries so for me getting quality genetics and seed is a hassle and I often have to stop my perpetual grow to make my own seed from a full auto, but with this idea i could make a small 2x2 box maybe smaller and just place it in right next to my larger one and i could still use all the same ducting and tubing id just need an extra light and for such a small plant that would be relatively no cost at all.
As far as concerns I have I could only come up with three and I included my thoughts on why it wouldn't be too much of a problem:
1)Auto flower plants can't be cloned!
A: not true auto flowering cannabis has all the same ability as any other sativa or indica its only difference is its non photo-sensitivity do the the genes found in ruderalis, making cloning autos for decent bud production nonviable but this says nothing about its ability to grow and foster seeds which often don't require large buds to have decent genetics IMO.
2)What about the size how could you get enough seeds?
A: With this concept you'd only need 4 or 5 viable seed from the entire cloned plant I've had single buds with over double that in viable seeds
3)How could you make this perpetual?
since the clone and mother both have the same set flowering time the seed and buds will be done at near the same rate meaning i get seed with every harvest, cutting down one plant each week and germinating the seeds from its clone on the same day each cycle would keep plant counts to just one above my normal grow and the left over seeds can be saved for poorer harvest
Too me this idea seems bulletproof and I hope some of you agree I'd love to hear some feedback and maybe even some proof of concept grows starting to pop up, this seems like it could be a great tool for growers or breeders who would like to test genetics on a small scale without risking any of there bud production.
