Better future autoflowers possible?

[Hybrid]

I've been thinking about how to improve the autoflower strains

First they had Ruderalis with zero potency and crossed it with potent photo-strains to get the Lowryder

Then they took Lowryder and made new autoflower strains, and I guess most autoflower strains come from the Lowryder

But how about starting again at scratch with the best photoperiod available and cross it with the best autoflower available, trying to get as far away from the original Ruderalis as possible.
I mean the only thing we want from the Ruderalis is the autoflowering genes, the rest like low yield, low potency etc we have no use for that.

So what do you think, can we get more useful autoflowers in the future, more potent and maybe some strains with a couple of weeks longer vegging so we get significant lager yield

 

[seedlingstarter]

Sure it's possible to get better genetics. I think you would have to cross and back cross a couple generations looking for certain things your looking for along with the auto gene. I see it being a 2 to 4 year process but i dont see as to why not.

 

[tobe]

Hi @Hybrid
For sure there will be more great autoflower strains in the future.
For myself I can say I worked out my own autoflower line over several years as a basic line. I crossed a orange bud x Lowryder 2 breed them over a few generations to a full orange autoflower strain. To make them better I crossed in a auto AK-47 breed them to f5 at the moment and call them Orange Assault. I used my OA for new crosses.


My projects are.

Orange Assault
Basic line

Orange Assault f4 x Bluetooth
The goal is a berry strain with a orange undertone.

Orange Assault f4 x UK auto cheese (skunk pheno)
This cross is to give the OA a bigger structure

Then there are some auto X photo projects
OA X jaggen
OA X el fuego del shiva

I can tell you there are more hobby breeder like me working on new autoflower strains but it takes a long time to get a good stable autoflower strain.

I worked on my basic line for around 8 years with some fail generation but now I am happy with the result of the long work.

Have a nice day
cu tobe

 

[BII]

Isn't crossing high quality photos and autos to get high quality autos perfectly normal? For example, aren't most Mephisto strains created this way.

 

[tobe]

Isn't crossing high quality photos and autos to get high quality autos perfectly normal? For example, aren't most Mephisto strains created this way.

Yes you are absolutely right

Have a nice day
cu tobe

 

[seedlingstarter]

Isn't crossing high quality photos and autos to get high quality autos perfectly normal? For example, aren't most Mephisto strains created this way.

The things with breeders doing it is they only work it until the 2nd or 3rd gen to get the auto flowering gene back. They never stabilize it to where its only 1 or 2 phenos but multiple of phenos. But this is how you would increase size and potency breeding larger autos into a photo, testing the phenos for potency/yield or trichrome production breeding the best of the best until you are satisfied.

 

[Kya Knight]

Just stick with the autos, we have dank enough genetics to work with already. People have already done what you are hoping to do and some have done it well. You dont want photo auto mutants to sort through for generations. Maybe this is your cup of tea, dont let me stop you from experimenting if it is.

 

[NastyN8t]

The best breeders take it to f4 and beyond to get a good photo to auto strain developed as i understand it

 

[Kya Knight]

@seedlingstarter

I agree, i am getting plenty of photo mutants from bought packs. Im hoping to get less and less as time goes on.

 

[seedlingstarter]

The best breeders take it to f4 and beyond to get a good photo to auto strain developed as i understand it

This is true but they only do a cross far enough to get the auto gene to show in 100% of the plants. Its auto stable but phenos will still be a wide variety. For sure though the best breeders will breed beyond the 4th gen to narrow down the phenos.